FIFA proposed 6+5 rule

[RedMersey]

Article from Setanta today..

 

This weekend will be almost 10 years to the day that a Premier League side last fielded a starting XI consisting of only English players.

 

On 27th February 1999, 14 Englishmen appeared for the Aston Villa in their local derby with Coventry City, and Opta can exclusively reveal that this is a feat not matched in The Premier League by any side since this date.

 

With the proposed 6+5 Fifa rule being ruled legal by the EU courts, we might have to see a return to more homegrown talent being fielded.

Aston Villa Team v Coventry City (27/02/1999)

Michael Oakes

Alan Wright

Gareth Southgate

Steve Watson

Ricardo Scimeca

Ian Taylor

Paul Merson

Simon Grayson

Lee Hendrie

Dion Dublin

Julian Joachim

Subs

Gareth Barry (sub)

Stan Collymore (sub)

Mark Draper (sub)

 

The 14 players listed above appeared for Aston Villa on that day – but unfortunately for John Gregory and his side, Coventry City ended the match as 4-1 victors.

 

No Premier League team has managed to field an all English starting XI since this day – despite 3801 matches being played in the top-flight from the date of the achievement set by Gregory.

Team Name Players Used in PL 2008/09 % Players English

Aston Villa 19 74%

Middlesbrough 26 54%

Stoke City 29 52%

West Ham United 26 50%

Hull City 29 48%

Portsmouth 26 46%

Everton 24 42%

Newcastle United 29 41%

Bolton Wanderers 23 39%

Tottenham Hotspur 29 38%

Manchester City 31 35%

Manchester United 29 34%

Sunderland 29 34%

Wigan Athletic 24 33%

Fulham 24 29%

West Bromwich Albion 26 27%

Chelsea 28 25%

Blackburn Rovers 27 22%

Arsenal 24 17%

Liverpool 23 13%

 

In May 2006, Middlesbrough played Fulham in what was Steve McClaren’s final game in charge of the club. McClaren named a 16-man squad, with 15 of those having come through the academy, however, one of the players; James Morrison, has since been capped for Scotland.

 

The influx of foreign players into The Premier League has hindered the number of English players making their mark in the Premier League, but somewhat fittingly, Aston Villa are one side that are bucking the trend.

 

Of the 19 players that they have used in the top-flight this season, 14 (74%) have been English. No Premier League side has managed to play a higher proportion of English players this season, and only Stoke (15) have handed more English players a top-flight league appearance so far this term.

 

Liverpool are the worst culprits; using just three English players in their Premier League campaign so far – Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Jermaine Pennant.

 

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A bit scary to be in the wrong end of this table... With Rafa so unwilling to use young players from the reserves, I can see this being a real problem for us.

Edited February 26, 2009 by RedMersey

[Sion]

A bit scary to be in the wrong end of this table.. I can see this being a real problem for us.

 

why? the rule will never get passed. I don't give one where the players are from as long as they're good enough and have the right attitude.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

outside of Italy, when was the last time any major team fielded a starting 11 of entirely local players?

[Rimbeux]

It will be some extension of the home trained player rule that is used in the CL, and coupled with a ban of u18 transfers and players forced to sign their first pro deal with their parent club it could make English players even more expensive than they are already, force clubs to use academy kids, reduce the number of journeyman foreign players in the game, reduce player migration throughout Europe, flatten the level of the leagues. It will all be jostled about for a deal of time and then clubs given an age to conform

[Flight]

I was surprised when the commentator mentioned this weeks Milan side, that faced the Mancs, had only one Italian in it.

[Maldini]

Our academy is a mess at the moment, we've had to get lads off the street to play for the u14s because so many of them have left to join others clubs. Still, we wouldn't want Rafa to have too much control would we, let's leave Parry in charge to hire his son's mates to run the place.

[Zoob]

Our team last night had more Spanish players than Real did

 

edit: I wouldn't mind if the quality of English training was at such a level that British players were good enough, but there are still massive problems in terms of the technique and tactical awareness of British players, which is why so few have emerged, and why anyone who is half decent costs an absolute fortune.

 

I don't want the standard of football to go down just so that more British players can be given a chance...

Edited February 26, 2009 by Zoob

[Maldini]

Well put it this way, they've finally decided to overhaul the academy system, they're due to have meetings in the summer to decide what changes to make, the person in charge...Howard Wilkinson.

 

Trevor Brooking is the technical director.

 

English football is run by goons for goons.

[Sion]

In all seriousness, I would get David Pleat involved.

[Zoob]

Well put it this way, they've finally decided to overhaul the academy system, they're due to have meetings in the summer to decide what changes to make, the person in charge...Howard Wilkinson.

 

Trevor Brooking is the technical director.

 

English football is run by goons for goons.

 

It's both terifying and hillarious.

[Molby]

In all seriousness, I would get David Pleat involved.

 

 

 

completely agree

 

I was about 15 when his Luton team were playing some great stuff

 

he knows players inside out and if he were allowed, would revamp the way football is coached in this country from top to bottom

 

it boils down to this:

 

every Sunday, kids of 10 are playing competitive league games against other kids of 10 (ok)

 

and on the sidelines, parents are screaming at them to

 

"get rid!"

"down the line!"

"forwards!"

"ffs!"

(not ok)

 

 

etc etc

 

the way forward is grass roots up, no question, yet I despair of the idiots I see in positions of responsibility and the shocking lack of coaching know how at the younger levels

Edited February 26, 2009 by Molby

[Eskimo]

Probably changed but I remember having 6 attempts to join our local mini league as a kid (30 od years ago). There were hundreds of kids at each trial that they played 30 a side, never touched the ball in the first 5 attempts

[Sion]

Probably changed but I remember having 6 attempts to join our local mini league as a kid (30 od years ago). There were hundreds of kids at each trial that they played 30 a side, never touched the ball in the first 5 attempts

 

sounds familiar!

I used to just 'sit back' whilst everyone ran around like headless chickens.

Seemed to work as i was one of the 'lucky' 20 odd invited into the gym for winter training

Edited February 26, 2009 by Sion

[Bootle Buck]

FFS the French national team can't even field players who were born there. Platini and his cronies need to look into that.

[Stevie H]

platini's a racist. for a player i admired enormously he's an utter c*nt of a man.

[growler]

I can't see how this rule will not get passed. Its a sporting rule. No one is forcing the players to move, or the clubs to take part. They follow the rules of the game if they want to play.

 

Therefore, if liverpool want to enter the game, we will need to play by the rules.

 

I think its fair in one regard, but will take time to implement.

[Mick_G]

completely agree

 

I was about 15 when his Luton team were playing some great stuff

 

he knows players inside out and if he were allowed, would revamp the way football is coached in this country from top to bottom

 

it boils down to this:

 

every Sunday, kids of 10 are playing competitive league games against other kids of 10 (ok)

 

and on the sidelines, parents are screaming at them to

 

"get rid!"

"down the line!"

"forwards!"

"ffs!"

(not ok)

etc etc

 

the way forward is grass roots up, no question, yet I despair of the idiots I see in positions of responsibility and the shocking lack of coaching know how at the younger levels

 

Completley agree with this, so much so instead of letting other people do it i'm setting up my own under 8's team now,as i'm sick of what i'm seeing week in week out.

Not an easy process, sorting out affiliation,taking the relevant child protection courses,kits,training gear,training location,club code of conduct , a lot more to it than i thought if your going to do it properly.

 

I'm going to aim for charter standard within 18 months. A Level 1 coaching course is £145 , you can get get that within a few weeks if everyone is contributing as they should and all parents want to see the club and their children develop.Before you can take the course you have to pass the relevant child protection and welfare officer courses but the FA are currently funding these so all that costs is a few hours in time of an evening.

Any advice on pitfalls i may look to avoid are welcome.

 

How's your team getting on ?

[Hassony]

FFS the French national team can't even field players who were born there. Platini and his cronies need to look into that.

 

 

[muleskinner]

FFS the French national team can't even field players who were born there. Platini and his cronies need to look into that.

 

3 of the latest squad were born overseas.

 

Latest France Squad 11.2.09

 

Player Place of Birth

Steve Mandanda Kinshasha

Hugo Lloris France

Cédric Carrasso France

 

Éric Abidal France

William Gallas France

Philippe Mexès France

Bacary Sagna France

Mouhamadou Dabo Dakar

Gaël Clichy France

Jean-Alain Boumsong Cameroon

Rod Fanni France

Sébastien Squillaci France

 

Jérémy Toulalan France

Alou Diarra France

Lassana Diarra France

Samir Nasri France

Yoann Gourcuff France

Franck Ribéry France

 

Thierry Henry France

Nicolas Anelka France

Karim Benzema France

Jimmy Briand France

 

 

Whilst looking that up, just discovered that Boumsong and Ngoals are cousins.

Edited February 27, 2009 by muleskinner

[stressederic]

If we want to improve football in this country from the grass roots up we should stop moving kids onto full sized pitches so quickly. Keep them on smaller pitches so they can work on their control, passing etc instead of seeing how far the ycan kick it and how long they can run. We're the only "major" footballing nation in the world that makes the step up to full sized pitches so early and it's daft.

[MFletcher]

I was playing eight a side on a full sized pitch, with full size goals, when I was nine. We were also encouraged to 'put it out' if in danger, and our strategy from kick off entailed passing it to someone and thumping it straight into their half.

 

Now that is top quality coaching on display.

[Raj]

platini's a racist. for a player i admired enormously he's an utter c*nt of a man.

 

How is he a racist?

[jon_hall]

How is he a racist?

 

He hates scousers, does that count?

[Benzo-13]

How is he a racist?

 

He's anti-Premier League.

 

Ronaldinho to Milan for £80m (2yrs ago) is ok but Kaka' to City for a £100m isn't.

[Raj]

He's anti-Premier League.

 

Ronaldinho to Milan for £80m (2yrs ago) is ok but Kaka' to City for a £100m isn't.

 

Doesn't make him racist though.