Whats it to be then?

[Igors Uncle Dave]

Given that United have made £90M more than us, how does this effect peoples views on the proposed new stadium? I appreciate that Anfield holds dear to us all but are we allowing this loyalty, for want of a better word, to hold us back from much greater things for the club?

 

Again Hicks and Gillette are instrumental in the “on/off” saga surrounding the stadium. The fact that they can not inject the required funds is the reason why the new stadium plans are on hold. I have read in here many views both for and against the new stadium over the past year or so, each one from the heart and with good reasoning. But where do we go from here?

 

As a club we are now living on reputation, a reputation build up through generations of loyal and intelligent fans. We use the word “family” to describe what our club means to us, yet for some, we deny progress where the stadium is mentioned. Our trophy haul was our back bone, it was our proud list of honours that we used to fend off the likes of the mancs. Now, that list of honours and the difference therein, is quickly shrinking.

 

Progress is what is needed and at present we will not progress under the current regime, of that I am sure we are all agreed. Whether the owners or Rafa himself needs to go will continue to be debated over the course of the next few months. On a personal note I feel that it should be the owners because of the lies and deceit they have brought to the club. Only by brining in someone with some honour and understanding of exactly what Liverpool football club stands for will we be able to build bridges within our structure.

 

Rafa himself has made some mistakes and it is the ones on the field that we see and it is here where we judge him. As a manager he is exceptional in many aspects and is respected by many in game. He is still very young too and has a great career ahead of him. His trusted zonal marking system is targeted by ex-proffesionals across the country yet has provided Pepe Reina with the golden gloves for the most clean sheets for the past 3 seasons (I could be corrected here).

 

The rotational system too is hit by many, even his own players throw the occasional remark in against him. Again we seem to do ok and it is the lack of two or three quality players I feel, that stops us from providing a decent challenge on the league. We have moved on from players like Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, LeTallec and bless him Igor (I miss him). We now have players like Riera, Alonso, Mascha, Benny and Aurelio. The standard has risen some.

 

To be able to move on we must open our arms to the thought of a new stadium, we must allow our club to embrace the opportunity to match and compete with those who have those addition funds. We compete almost on the same level now but by providing the manager with stability in the back room and additional funds for world class players, it will allow us to once again climb to the heights we once knew.

 

Just a thought

[Noel Street]

Given that United have made £90M more than us, how does this effect peoples views on the proposed new stadium? I appreciate that Anfield holds dear to us all but are we allowing this loyalty, for want of a better word, to hold us back from much greater things for the club?

 

Again Hicks and Gillette are instrumental in the “on/off” saga surrounding the stadium. The fact that they can not inject the required funds is the reason why the new stadium plans are on hold. I have read in here many views both for and against the new stadium over the past year or so, each one from the heart and with good reasoning. But where do we go from here?

 

As a club we are now living on reputation, a reputation build up through generations of loyal and intelligent fans. We use the word “family” to describe what our club means to us, yet for some, we deny progress where the stadium is mentioned. Our trophy haul was our back bone, it was our proud list of honours that we used to fend off the likes of the mancs. Now, that list of honours and the difference therein, is quickly shrinking.

 

Progress is what is needed and at present we will not progress under the current regime, of that I am sure we are all agreed. Whether the owners or Rafa himself needs to go will continue to be debated over the course of the next few months. On a personal note I feel that it should be the owners because of the lies and deceit they have brought to the club. Only by brining in someone with some honour and understanding of exactly what Liverpool football club stands for will we be able to build bridges within our structure.

 

Rafa himself has made some mistakes and it is the ones on the field that we see and it is here where we judge him. As a manager he is exceptional in many aspects and is respected by many in game. He is still very young too and has a great career ahead of him. His trusted zonal marking system is targeted by ex-proffesionals across the country yet has provided Pepe Reina with the golden gloves for the most clean sheets for the past 3 seasons (I could be corrected here).

 

The rotational system too is hit by many, even his own players throw the occasional remark in against him. Again we seem to do ok and it is the lack of two or three quality players I feel, that stops us from providing a decent challenge on the league. We have moved on from players like Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, LeTallec and bless him Igor (I miss him). We now have players like Riera, Alonso, Mascha, Benny and Aurelio. The standard has risen some.

 

To be able to move on we must open our arms to the thought of a new stadium, we must allow our club to embrace the opportunity to match and compete with those who have those addition funds. We compete almost on the same level now but by providing the manager with stability in the back room and additional funds for world class players, it will allow us to once again climb to the heights we once knew.

 

 

Just a thought

 

 

it might just a thought but it knocks a lot of the stuff seen here recently into a cocked hat

[Swipe]

You obviously didn't check out my thread about a boy who looks like a thumb

[Hassony]

You obviously didn't check out my thread about a boy who looks like a thumb

 

or my hannah montana thread

[Flight]

As a club we are now living on reputation, a reputation build up through generations of loyal and intelligent fans. We use the word “family” to describe what our club means to us, yet for some, we deny progress where the stadium is mentioned. Our trophy haul was our back bone, it was our proud list of honours that we used to fend off the likes of the mancs. Now, that list of honours and the difference therein, is quickly shrinking.

 

 

This is so true. Many of us fans persist with unrealistic expectations. The Mancs squad is still much stronger and deeper than ours, as are their finances. We spend £20mill on Torres and he is our star player, they spend £20mill on Hargeaves, or £35mill on Anderson and Nani, and they hardly get a game.

 

When Rafa took our squad over it was very poor - full of overpaid mercenaries on lengthy, highly paid contracts. 1-0 down was the end of the game. Hoofing it up to Owen and hoping he and Heskey would feed off scraps. As Rafa arrives Owen and heskey leave, further weakening a poor squad, with Cisse coming in and him having no say in it.

 

 

Rafa continues to have us punch above our weight. More importantly, we continue to improve, every year he is here.

 

 

The biggest shame is with some of our fans. Booing at our players - when we went top FFS - is something I never thought I would see at our gaff.

 

 

 

I continue to promote the belief that it is the result of the strategy Hicks PR people have come up with. Simply keep their mouths shut and stay out of the press. Because we have no new 'ammunition' to fuel our deep seated belief that the Americans are so damaging to our club our discontent instead turns on each other and on the team and the manager. This is human nature and is the course his PR people have set. Sadly - maybe inevitably - it is working.

[Knox_Harrington]

Does losing the main, rotating the pitch and extending the Kop, the Anfield Road and building a new Kop opposite the centenary make financial sense yet? Probably not.

 

Manager should be judged by results on the pitch. Portsmouth was a new low for our g*******s and the media when he was mercilessly slaughtered after a victory.

 

EDIT: And he should also be judged at the end of the season. Should be an embargo on s**** directed at him at this point.

Edited February 17, 2009 by Knox_Harrington

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Does losing the main, rotating the pitch and extending the Kop, the Anfield Road and building a new Kop opposite the centenary make financial sense yet? Probably not.

 

that would be boss.

 

but what would you call the old, extended Kop? It would have to reflect the fact that that's where the Kop used to be. You couldn't go renaming it The Main Stand.

 

Maybe the Shankly Stand.

[whitewidow]

that would be boss.

 

but what would you call the old, extended Kop? It would have to reflect the fact that that's where the Kop used to be. You couldn't go renaming it The Main Stand.

 

Maybe the Shankly Stand.

 

The Old, Extended Kop Stand?

[matty]

The Complete Ooters Commerorative Kop Stand.

[Chewie]

you describe it as family - I think that's actually something of a key.... in real families people change their living environment when they can. They upgrade for space where possible, they change the look of the place to keep in step with the times...

 

I get fed up with people thinking they are honouring the past when they refuse to change it - the pioneers who years ago built the shell that has changed over the years into what we now call Anfield had vision and courage and drive and probably pressed ahead even when others cried - but we can't change...this is our home...blah, blah, blah.... we don't defend the custodians who unlocked they keys in our past when we hold on to the past - we betray them, their vision, their courage and the spirit of the club that transcends every brick in every wall.

 

Every empire that is built should have the courage to have engraved into its core the permission to the next generation to tear down and rebuild once its time has come and it no longer meets its purpose.

 

This is the time for courage and for vision. That's what our club needs lest we get left behind. I hear the cries of those who say - so what if we end up in the Third division cos it'll be the club we love....rubbish. The club we love always aspired to be the best. Once we lose that aspiration the club we love will be dead and we'll simply be a museum. Romanticism and nostalgia didn't build our current home - hope did, idealism did, vision did. If the time is right to rebuild...let's rebuild

 

Chewie

[Jarg Armani]

I wouldn't trust any one person involved with the club to build us a stadium that justifies moving.

 

Football stadiums should be treated as great public buildings, never knocked down, upgraded with love, cherished for what they are. It's a crying, crying shame that Merseyside is planning to lose 2 of its best buildings.

 

That's right, Goodison too. But more so for us and our ground, with the way things are going on the field it'll soon be all we've got to set us apart from the rest.

 

Sorry to be dramatic.

Edited February 17, 2009 by Jarg Armani

[stressederic]

Does losing the main, rotating the pitch and extending the Kop, the Anfield Road and building a new Kop opposite the centenary make financial sense yet? Probably not.

 

And where would we play whilst that was going on?

[pipnasty]

Sorry to be dramatic.

 

I really, really don't think I can bear your drama for one second longer.

 

 

But good points regarding the ground(s). I'm sick of all this 'football is a business' bulls*** as much as I am sick of the 'football is entertainment' w*** that usually gets spewed out of the very same gobs.

Edited February 17, 2009 by Pipnasty

[Sion]

I wouldn't trust any one person involved with the club to build us a stadium that justifies moving.

 

Football stadiums should be treated as great public buildings, never knocked down, upgraded with love, cherished for what they are. It's a crying, crying shame that Merseyside is planning to lose 2 of its best buildings.

 

That's right, Goodison too. But more so for us and our ground, with the way things are going on the field it'll soon be all we've got to set us apart from the rest.

 

Sorry to be dramatic.

 

I still think we could easily develop the main stand and increase it by at least 7-10k. Get it like the Kemlyn but bigger and with more executive boxes (that we apparently really need)

and improve anny road by about 5k, sorted. That's 60k there at a fraction of the cost.

There's enough room behind the main stand to increase it isn't there? we'd be mainly building upwards anyway so wouldn't need that much more room, but there's a bit of wasteland/car park and a row of boarded up houses. that should be enough. If not, just pay off a few people to move.

[Mike]

I still think we could easily develop the main stand and increase it by at least 7-10k. Get it like the Kemlyn but bigger and with more executive boxes (that we apparently really need)

and improve anny road by about 5k, sorted. That's 60k there at a fraction of the cost.

There's enough room behind the main stand to increase it isn't there? we'd be mainly building upwards anyway so wouldn't need that much more room, but there's a bit of wasteland/car park and a row of boarded up houses. that should be enough. If not, just pay off a few people to move.

 

not enough room for corporates or hospitality. do the anny road as well. danger is you would also dwarf the kop whereas in the new stadium its the focal point.

 

plus 60 isn't enough, 70+ or the ability to get there.

[Maldini]

Plus they looked into all this and it would cost more than building a new stadium, we'd also have to play to crowds of 30,000 for years.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

build a new stadium to play in while we redevelop Anfield. then move back into Anfield, and sell the new stadium to the s****.

[Igors Uncle Dave]

build a new stadium to play in while we redevelop Anfield. then move back into Anfield, and sell the new stadium to the s****.

 

 

We dont have the money to do either let alone one of the projects you mention - Surely this would mean moving the sh*te closer to us also?

[Stevie H]

build a new stadium to play in while we redevelop Anfield. then move back into Anfield, and sell the new stadium to the s****.

as norman stanley fletcher said to mister mackay, we dug another tunnel and hid the dirt down that one.

[Owen1978]

Given that United have made £90M more than us, how does this effect peoples views on the proposed new stadium? I appreciate that Anfield holds dear to us all but are we allowing this loyalty, for want of a better word, to hold us back from much greater things for the club?

 

Again Hicks and Gillette are instrumental in the “on/off” saga surrounding the stadium. The fact that they can not inject the required funds is the reason why the new stadium plans are on hold. I have read in here many views both for and against the new stadium over the past year or so, each one from the heart and with good reasoning. But where do we go from here?

 

As a club we are now living on reputation, a reputation build up through generations of loyal and intelligent fans. We use the word “family” to describe what our club means to us, yet for some, we deny progress where the stadium is mentioned. Our trophy haul was our back bone, it was our proud list of honours that we used to fend off the likes of the mancs. Now, that list of honours and the difference therein, is quickly shrinking.

 

Progress is what is needed and at present we will not progress under the current regime, of that I am sure we are all agreed. Whether the owners or Rafa himself needs to go will continue to be debated over the course of the next few months. On a personal note I feel that it should be the owners because of the lies and deceit they have brought to the club. Only by brining in someone with some honour and understanding of exactly what Liverpool football club stands for will we be able to build bridges within our structure.

 

Rafa himself has made some mistakes and it is the ones on the field that we see and it is here where we judge him. As a manager he is exceptional in many aspects and is respected by many in game. He is still very young too and has a great career ahead of him. His trusted zonal marking system is targeted by ex-proffesionals across the country yet has provided Pepe Reina with the golden gloves for the most clean sheets for the past 3 seasons (I could be corrected here).

 

The rotational system too is hit by many, even his own players throw the occasional remark in against him. Again we seem to do ok and it is the lack of two or three quality players I feel, that stops us from providing a decent challenge on the league. We have moved on from players like Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, LeTallec and bless him Igor (I miss him). We now have players like Riera, Alonso, Mascha, Benny and Aurelio. The standard has risen some.

 

To be able to move on we must open our arms to the thought of a new stadium, we must allow our club to embrace the opportunity to match and compete with those who have those addition funds. We compete almost on the same level now but by providing the manager with stability in the back room and additional funds for world class players, it will allow us to once again climb to the heights we once knew.

 

Just a thought

 

Are you trying to give Leo a run for his money? lol

Good Post

[Senrab_nhoj]

Are you trying to give Leo a run for his money? lol Good Post

not a hope. Where was the "i play centre back at a high standard" recurring comment ;-)

[Sion]

was thinking last night, if england gets world cup 2018, would there be a possibility of funding from the government to improve/build a new stadium?

Edited February 18, 2009 by Sion

[matty]

was thinking last night, if england gets world cup 2018, would there be a possibility of funding from the government to improve/build a new stadium?

The chance of a moggy in Hades.

[Knox_Harrington]

And where would we play whilst that was going on?

At Anfield. To three sides of the ground. Would have thought that was quite straightforward to be honest. We'd need to do a lot less building already having one and two half stands built so that could offset any losses due to playing in front of 30k.

But good points regarding the ground(s). I'm sick of all this 'football is a business' bulls*** as much as I am sick of the 'football is entertainment' w*** that usually gets spewed out of the very same gobs.

Agree. Obviously. Surprised whenever anyone doesn't.

[Knox_Harrington]

At Anfield. To three sides of the ground. Would have thought that was quite straightforward to be honest. We'd need to do a lot less building already having one and two half stands built so that could offset any losses due to playing in front of 30k.

Indeed, depending upon the practicality of it you may well be able to keep the main stand open in some form if you built the new stand far enough behind it. Probably not though.