N`gog...

[floyd the barber]

actually thought we saw his best performance last night...

 

Made some outstanding runs off the ball.....and of course scored an excellent goal..

 

also regardless of if it was a dive or not...superb run into the box for the pen..

 

Hes still young and has maybe been treated unfairly on here as someone who will never make the grade...even the comentators were saying this......think he definetly has potential.

[Billy Talbot]

His goal against Man U was very good too.

[Guest PaulMcC]

I've been saying he's a good player for a while.

 

He clearly has potential, dpn't know how some people cant, or refuse to, see it.

[kop205]

I've been saying he's a good player for a while.

 

He clearly has potential, dpn't know how some people cant, or refuse to, see it.

 

Me too.

 

He can finish and his all-round play in terms of strength and skill are improving markedly.

 

I don't think at this stage that he'll ever be a world beater, but he definitely has a contribution to make.

 

As many goals as Owen now this season isn't it?

Edited November 10, 2009 by kop205

[Buzz]

Was sat in the main stand roughly in line with the 18 yard box by the away fans. In the second half I thought he had some good movement and often made some good runs that weren't noticed, or, ignored by our player with the ball. Was actually quite impressed.

Instead I had to listen to two blokes behind me hillariously repeatedly ask eachother how much money him and Lucas were on....

[Leo No.8]

Very impressed with N'Gog last night, said in another thread that was the first time I thought we might have a player here.

 

Wasn't sure if he had enough to his overall game aside from finishing to make it at the very top, but he looked a yard faster and a bit stronger last night so it looks like been working hard in training.

 

Also playing more regularly is seeing him grow as a player. I like the lad a lot - he seems to have a good attitude, good temperament and I hope he keeps getting better and becomes quality backup to Torres.

 

I don't care about the dive - in my opinion he did what practically every striker does these days, drew the challenge then anticipated being brought down and started to go before he actually felt the tackle hit him..

 

If you watch I think it was Darren Bent at the weekend, he does exactly the same (is going down before the keeper actually hits him) but N'Gog misjudged the tackle thinking he was getting brought down and as Carsley missed it looked bad.

 

Sometimes you can actually find a few players step up in an injury crisis. I remember Robbie Fowler and McManaman getting their chances due to a spate of injuries under Souness' draconian training regime and never looking back.

 

Lucas and N'Gog have improved with regular games, and young Kelly looked like he'll be a star for years to come in his one appearance against Lyon. When we get the stars back we may end up an even stronger squad going forward.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Leo No.8

[smithdown]

Good to see one of our players actually enjoying his games

[Andy Mac]

I think he’s a good player and his goal against the mancs and last night showed. He does look a bit clumsy to me, though, and his control lets him down more often than not. I’m not writing him off and certainly not slagging him off, but he needs a bit of time to develop.

 

If I were to look at the situation objectively, I’d say the N’Gog situation highlights one of the major successes Wenger has at Arsenal. When they bring a player through the ranks, he seems confident and equipped to perform to the team tactics/style of play. I don’t seem to see this with too many debutant Liverpool players in recent times, including N’Gog.

[johngibo YPC]

If I were to look at the situation objectively, I’d say the N’Gog situation highlights one of the major successes Wenger has at Arsenal. When they bring a player through the ranks, he seems confident and equipped to perform to the team tactics/style of play. I don’t seem to see this with too many debutant Liverpool players in recent times, including N’Gog.

 

I think this is one of the positive things about Rafa taking more control of the acadamy in the summer. I read an interview with Adam Pepper recently who said that since the summer they have been working on more 'pass and move' in training, but also that they have changed formation to replicate what the senior team play, and that he is playing in the 'Gerrard role'

[richwilks]

A lot of people think he's s*** because he's not Torres and he only cost £1.5m.

 

Fact is that he is 20 years old, came for a small fee, is the main striker for the French U-21s and has bags of potential.

 

He'll be a good Premier League striker.

[The Hitman]

Well worth £1.5m, looks great value for that,certainly.

Imagine what £1.5m could get you in any of the English leagues.

Wouldn't even get you a Championship striker, maybe not even a Division 1 player.

[muleskinner]

Well worth £1.5m, looks great value for that,certainly.

Imagine what £1.5m could get you in any of the English leagues.

Wouldn't even get you a Championship striker, maybe not even a Division 1 player.

 

Jermaine Beckford will probably go for at least £5million. Ngog will be a better player, he may already be.

[Coyler]

Can't see how baggage-laden car-crash freebie Michael Owen could have been any better for us. David isn't making Henry Winter's tweets, though

[richwilks]

Jermaine Beckford will probably go for at least £5million. Ngog will be a better player, he may already be.

 

 

Do you think? Do you think there is a possibility he may be as good as the great Jermaine Beckford?

 

f***ing hell.

[muleskinner]

Do you think? Do you think there is a possibility he may be as good as the great Jermaine Beckford?

 

f***ing hell.

 

Have a look at the post I replied to and quoted you silly little boy.

[The Hitman]

Jermaine Beckford will probably go for at least £5million. Ngog will be a better player, he may already be.

Thats bizarre,Beckford was exactly the example I was thinking of.

[Hassony]

Thats bizarre,Beckford was exactly the example I was thinking of.

thats because muleskinner is actually derren brown

[Stevie H]

he is to blame for this new trend which is a blight on the english game though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/no...david-ngog-dive

Keith Hackett convenes referees' meeting to combat diving

 

• Referees' manager to act after David Ngog incident

• Officials to work on better positioning

 

Keith Hackett, the referees' manager, is to convene a meeting of leading officials in the latest attempt to combat diving in English football. The decision comes amid controversy over Liverpool's penalty against Birmingham City and Hackett's admission that the match official at Anfield, Peter Walton, will be "upset" at being duped into the award by David Ngog.

 

The Liverpool forward was roundly condemned for his part in the 71st-minute penalty that earned his side a point on Monday night, with his manager, Rafael Benítez, doubting the legitimacy of the decision after Ngog leapt over a challenge from Lee Carsley. Hackett, the general manager of the Professional Game Match Officials Board, believes Walton's positioning may have been a key factor in the award but, nevertheless, admits the incident highlights the need for a concerted response from referees.

 

"I will be sitting down with Peter on a one-to-one basis, and as a group, to see how we can best deal with this problem so that errors are reduced," Hackett said yesterday. "We will sit down and go through what the referee could have done to avoid this error. Before I do that I need to look at the various views of the incident on the TV footage to look at the position of the referee. I'll tell you this, I know Peter Walton very well and he will be upset when he views the DVD of this particular decision."

 

Hackett has sympathy for Walton's predicament, however, and believes such controversies will be inevitable as long as match officials operate without technological assistance. "Nobody in the game supports the act of simulation and I think that's true of managers and all the organisations in the game, like the LMA [League Managers Association]," he said. The managers are working very, very hard in fairness to cut this out and I know from speaking to them regularly that they abhor this type of behaviour. However, these acts do take place because players do go down and that puts pressure on referees.

 

"I have said to managers in the past that this is an area of great difficulty for referees and it can come down to the viewing angle of the referee. It's easy for the media and fans, who have the benefit of replays and different viewing angles to see whether or not it was a dive. Referees don't have that and have to make a decision on the spot."

 

But Hackett said professional referees still had a duty to identify cheating when it occurs. "Ultimately it's down to players not to commit acts of simulation. However, as referees, we have a responsibility," he added. "Referees need to put themselves in the right viewing area to be able to see what's happening. It is difficult and sometimes the speed and quality of the player and the way they can juggle the ball, does catch referees out. I thought both managers were very clear in their views and said it wasn't a penalty. I also thought the manager of Birmingham was pretty magnanimous in his post-match comments."

[San Diego Red]

Oh hang on. Ronaldo, Drogba and others do it for years. Now that f***ing N'Gog does it once, and it's a pandemic.

[Stevie H]

aye, keith hackett's been quiet for f***ing years on this. cheeky c***.

[Clay Davis]

I like him, only 20 and the potential to be a very good player. His finishing is already there, his pace and skills are already there. With better hold up play and strength he could be a good all-round striker.

[richwilks]

Have a look at the post I replied to and quoted you silly little boy.

 

Yeah... and?

[Leo No.8]

Oh hang on. Ronaldo, Drogba and others do it for years. Now that f***ing N'Gog does it once, and it's a pandemic.

 

That really is f*cking outrageous.

[muleskinner]

Yeah... and?

 

The quite basic point I was making appears to be lost on you. Others, the person I replied to for one, aren't having the same problem.

[kop205]

That really is f*cking outrageous.

 

Part of me really doesn't care and will just laugh it off when people have a pop - there isn't a club in the country who can take any sort of moral high ground on this.

 

Another part of me worries that when the inevitable referees baccklash starts (for the week or so that it lasts) that it will be us, as usual, who bear the brunt.

 

What price N'Gog being denied a clear penalty ion the next few weeks at some point?