The US President

[smithdown]

2 hours ago, Duncan Disorderly said:

Trial on hold while they consider immunity claim???

The whole thing is here and right from the off it sounds like a 14 year old in a debating class.  I mean I assume this fella is a qualified lawyer but he sounds like the “sir this is a Wendy’s’ kid

 

 

[Tosh]

How the f*** is Thomas still a judge, let alone a Supreme Court one. Openly on the take

[stressederic]

20 minutes ago, Tosh said:

How the f*** is Thomas still a judge, let alone a Supreme Court one. Openly on the take

His wife was fully cheerleading the January 6 stuff as well. 

[Nebraska Red]

I'm not a lawyer, ann by the sound of it, neither is that d****ead.

I'm listening to it and not believing my ears. It's beyond the realm of normalcy that this is even being considered.

[smithdown]

9 minutes ago, Nebraska Red said:

I'm not a lawyer, ann by the sound of it, neither is that d****ead.

I'm listening to it and not believing my ears. It's beyond the realm of normalcy that this is even being considered.

It’s like something that might be debated when everyone is off their cake - like what if the president killed someone with their own bare hands say but like it was cos they had like a Time Machine and that and nobody else knew cos it was too secret and if it came out yeah so they were gonna like go back no go forward and no hang on when’s your mate getting here brett lad have we got any other numbers or what?

[PaulMcC186]

 

 

[Nebraska Red]

13 hours ago, smithdown said:

It’s like something that might be debated when everyone is off their cake - like what if the president killed someone with their own bare hands say but like it was cos they had like a Time Machine and that and nobody else knew cos it was too secret and if it came out yeah so they were gonna like go back no go forward and no hang on when’s your mate getting here brett lad have we got any other numbers or what?

I liken it to that drunken 3am conversation that starts if, "if you win the national lottery..."

[Nebraska Red]

3 hours ago, PaulMcC186 said:

 

 

Many of these arrests are for misdemeanor issues. Trespass, loitering etc. in many cases charges were dropped.

Everybody should have a right to protest, but it has to be done properly. You can't protest on private property without permission, you can't build encampments on private property and not expect any push back by authorities.

There are rules, there are laws, and, unless you're a certain ex president they are going to be applied.

[stressederic]

5 minutes ago, Nebraska Red said:

Many of these arrests are for misdemeanor issues. Trespass, loitering etc. in many cases charges were dropped.

Everybody should have a right to protest, but it has to be done properly. You can't protest on private property without permission, you can't build encampments on private property and not expect any push back by authorities.

There are rules, there are laws, and, unless you're a certain ex president they are going to be applied.

Universities called the police on their own students who were protesting peacefully. They ended up with snipers on rooftops whilst the police roughed up students and faculty. It’s f***ing appalling. In Texas they sent in the National Guard. How is this anything other than heavy-handed, frankly fascistic, suppression of protest. There’s going to end up being another Kent State. 

Edited April 26 by stressederic

[Nebraska Red]

10 minutes ago, stressederic said:

Universities called the police on their own students who were protesting peacefully. They ended up with snipers on rooftops whilst the police roughed up students and faculty. It’s f***ing appalling. 

It is appalling. The police reaction, as usual, is ridiculously heavy handed. In all the cases I have read about, the protesters did not seek permission, did not respond to requests to leave and college admin called in the police who made things worse.

Short of shutting down the college campuses, what are the administrators going to do?

It's a no win situation. Allow the protests and the colleges get hammered by one side, shut down the protests and they get hammered by the other side.

Dana White is correct that in most cities you don't have the right to protest. In many cities you need permission, and a permit, for any mass gathering. Our local Democrat party is holding a rally tonight outside a state park. They had to apply for a permit in order to that they could hold their rally in support of democracy and ensure police presence for the inevitable reactions.

I am not in any way defending the actions of the colleges, and definitely not the police. Like everything in life there are consequences if rules and guidelines are not followed.

Edited April 26 by Nebraska Red

[Jarg Armani]

1 hour ago, Nebraska Red said:

It is appalling. The police reaction, as usual, is ridiculously heavy handed. In all the cases I have read about, the protesters did not seek permission, did not respond to requests to leave and college admin called in the police who made things worse.

Short of shutting down the college campuses, what are the administrators going to do?

It's a no win situation. Allow the protests and the colleges get hammered by one side, shut down the protests and they get hammered by the other side.

Dana White is correct that in most cities you don't have the right to protest. In many cities you need permission, and a permit, for any mass gathering. Our local Democrat party is holding a rally tonight outside a state park. They had to apply for a permit in order to that they could hold their rally in support of democracy and ensure police presence for the inevitable reactions.

I am not in any way defending the actions of the colleges, and definitely not the police. Like everything in life there are consequences if rules and guidelines are not followed.

You are though. This is what you're using your energy to do. Saying you're not at the end doesn't change it.

[Tosh]

"Can we please have a protest?"

"no"

"errr, OK then, we don't want to break any rules"

 

THAT is the way the young get to change the world. The suffragettes, the Luddites, the corn law rioters, the poll tax rioters, the anti-war protestors in the 60s, the civil rights activists, the ANC, Solidarity, those that hacked the Berlin Wall down, all them folk should've followed the rules and guidelines.

 

[stressederic]

What are the administrators supposed to do? Not call for the police who have a history of killing the demographics protesting. The right wing in the UK and US keep banging on about how it’s important to not ‘cancel’ people or be ‘anti free speech’ to the extent that literal Nazis have protested and presented on these campuses with no issues. But suddenly being anti-genocide is beyond acceptable. It’s the perfect example of those the law protects but doesn’t bind and those it binds but doesn’t protect. And in November the democrats will wonder why this generation isn’t enthusiastic about voting for them. 

[pipnasty]

32 minutes ago, stressederic said:

And in November the democrats will wonder why this generation isn’t enthusiastic about voting for them. 

And they will be blamed for Trump becoming President again.

It's the same story over and over again.

 

"Yeah, we told you to f*** off and not vote for us and then you f***ed off and didn't vote for us and how can that be our fault?'

Edited April 26 by pipnasty

[PaulMcC186]

 

 

[Redwire]

15 minutes ago, PaulMcC186 said:

 

 

"Like everything in life there are consequences if rules and guidelines are not followed".

[pipnasty]

1 hour ago, pipnasty said:

And they will be blamed for Trump becoming President again.

It's the same story over and over again.

 

"Yeah, we told you to f*** off and not vote for us and then you f***ed off and didn't vote for us and how can that be our fault?'

And here is the London version of that

“worried we could be looking at a repeat of the Brexit referendum and the Trump victory in 2016, where young people wake up shocked because they didn’t make their views heard at the ballot box”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/26/sadiq-khan-urges-young-londoners-to-vote-or-risk-repeat-of-brexit-and-trump-victory

Edited April 26 by pipnasty

[D.Boon]

22 hours ago, smithdown said:

The whole thing is here and right from the off it sounds like a 14 year old in a debating class.  I mean I assume this fella is a qualified lawyer but he sounds like the “sir this is a Wendy’s’ kid

 

 

When the f*** did Davros get involved?

[Duncan Disorderly]

A fascist state by any other name is still a fascist state.

[Tommok]

On 26/04/2024 at 16:29, pipnasty said:

And here is the London version of that

“worried we could be looking at a repeat of the Brexit referendum and the Trump victory in 2016, where young people wake up shocked because they didn’t make their views heard at the ballot box”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/26/sadiq-khan-urges-young-londoners-to-vote-or-risk-repeat-of-brexit-and-trump-victory

Susan Hall would be an absolutely horrific prospect tho, it has to be said. 

The Tory candidates for London Mayor have always been terrible. 

But yeah obviously that didn't stop one of them being voted in and then subsequently becoming Prime Minister and of course that all went swimmingly... 

Edited April 27 by Tommok

[pipnasty]

8 minutes ago, Tommok said:

Susan Hall would be an absolutely horrific prospect tho, it has to be said. 

 

Absolutely but Khan is saying 'you should do better' when he should be saying 'we need to do better'

[Tommok]

13 minutes ago, pipnasty said:

Absolutely but Khan is saying 'you should do better' when he should be saying 'we need to do better'

Yeah absolutely fair point. 

That said, if calling young people out to vote like this works and stops a loon like Susan Hall getting power in the capital then... 

[PaulMcC186]

9 hours ago, Tommok said:

Yeah absolutely fair point. 

That said, if calling young people out to vote like this works and stops a loon like Susan Hall getting power in the capital then... 

Give young people something to vote for and they're more likely to vote.

[smithdown]

She is one of the strangest choices for anything tbh.  A genuinely befuddled racist bitter old bag.

[Murphman]

3 hours ago, smithdown said:

She is one of the strangest choices for anything tbh.  A genuinely befuddled racist bitter old bag.

She's like an even thicker version of Andrea Leadsom.