Tommok

I think a lot of it is confidence - he hasn't just forgotten how to pass the ball 10 yds. Jurgen absolutely loves Wirtz and so I'd held some hope he'd get him feeling better and firing again.

Hold on wasn't it proven that referees there were being bribed?

If 3 weeks with Jurgen hasn't given him a boost then it's hard to see what will. Scoring a few goals might help his confidence but he doesn't look like he's going to do that on current form.

Yeah there was an element of luck with their first. Their second and third were good play. We looked goosed by then tho. We brought on Frimpong who was all over the place. Again. Doku was very good. Being able to bring on a player of that quality is handy...and we know why they're able to do that.

He does look so much better than last season.

Yeah I'm now starting to think selling him is a fair option. Bayern will probably still pay a decent amount for him. No chance we get Olise mind.

We expended a lot of energy in the first 60 minutes so it was doubly tough to cope with 10 men after the dodgy red. We did seem to lose our heads tho and should've tried to be more compact and solid for a bit.

He looked really up for it and was playing very well - breezed away from his opponents a number of times.

Wasn't Araujo booked for gesturing a yellow card, which a City player also did but got nothing obviously.

Yeah even with our first choice team this was going to be really tough given our respective form. Probably need someone to have a bit of a worldie - Wirtz, Koumas... Chiesa Is Szoboszlai available?

Roy Keane and Carragher pretty good on this on the Sky build up. You'll be shocked to hear that Mica Richards wants us all to wait until the appeal(s) process is complete...whenever that might be...before we call City guilty.

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Yeah it's a real clanger so soon into his tenure. Loses him a lot of early momentum and it might be hard to row back from. I reckon there's still plenty more to come out about his dealings with the City owners too.