24/25 Ref Watch

[oojason]

A thread for the Howard Webb's trusted foot soldiers and fairytale storytellers in the media for 2024/25...

 

Match 1 : Ipswich away. 

Ref: Time Robinson. Asst Refs: Tim Wood, Steve Meredith. 4th official: Keith Stroud. VAR: Stuart Atwell.

 

Ipswich's Wes Burns, already on a yellow card, on 38 minutes, deliberately knocks the ball away with his hand to stop whilst on the floor...

Ref gives a freekick for the handball some seconds later - but there is no 2nd yellow card.

 

 

YNWA.tv '2023/24 Ref Watch' thread: www.ynwa.tv/topic/163851-2324-ref-watch

YNWA.tv 'VAR' thread: www.ynwa.tv/topic/162584-var (in General Footy)

YNWA.tv 'New PL referees' thread: www.ynwa.tv/topic/163135-new-pl-referees (in General Footy)

 

Edited August 23 by oojason

[Ombudsam]

@Swipe @Gethin @smithdown at what point do you reckon we’ll end up having an actual physical fight on this thread?

[Gethin]

4 minutes ago, Ombudsam said:

@Swipe @Gethin @smithdown at what point do you reckon we’ll end up having an actual physical fight on this thread?

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

I've heard that this season the refs have been required to rinse their eyes out with salt & bleach before the start of each half

[oojason]

Match 2 : Brentford at home.

Ref: Stuart Attwell. Assistants: Simon Bennett, Dan Robathan. Fourth official: Anthony Taylor. VAR: Michael Oliver.

 

Nothing much ref-wise in this match.

The usual fouls and wrestling by defenders on Salah - and if Salah shoulder barges or does the same back... he is penalised. Yet wasn't much else going on.

 

Gravenberch picked up a yellow on 38' for a mis-timed tackle; but wasn't two-footed, high, or follow through etc to warrant anything more...

 

Edited August 27 by oojason

[oojason]

Match 3 : Man Utd away.

Ref: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. 4th official: Sam Barrott. VAR: John Brooks.

 

Nothing much from Greater Manchester's Anthony Taylor and comedy sidekick John Brooks.

Partly because even they realised this was a game even their skills could not help Utd - so they realised it was better to save all that for another day - where they can have an influence.

They did let a series of late 'challenges' from the Utd players go as they were obviously frustrated at being embarrassed on the pitch - eventually even Taylor gave some yellow cards to put a stop to that as it was becoming a recurring theme.

 

There was a bad high and late tackle from De Ligt on Luis Diaz out wide on 65'...

... but Taylor just gave his usual 'play it safe / do the bare minimum' yellow card - despite the 'challenge' being high, late / nowhere near the ball, followed through with force, and was out of control. VAR John Brooks did nothing.

De Ligt was subbed off minutes later.

 

[LFCNeil90]

Thought Taylor was ok. Fully expected him to give a foul in real time when Diaz nicked it off Casemiro before the 2nd. Missed the De Ligt one live but I can't remember getting as pissed off with Taylor as usually is the case 

[Gethin]

10 minutes ago, LFCNeil90 said:

Thought Taylor was ok. Fully expected him to give a foul in real time when Diaz nicked it off Casemiro before the 2nd. Missed the De Ligt one live but I can't remember getting as pissed off with Taylor as usually is the case 

Was surprised the De Ligt tackle wasn't at least looked at by VAR, would have been a little harsh but I've seen stuff like that given as a red before.

Was also surprised that neither of the Diaz tackle on Casemiro for the second & the Mac Allister tackle on Mainoo for the 3rd weren't given as free kicks. Neither of them were but it's the type of think Taylor's got form for.

[Cobs]

11 minutes ago, Gethin said:

Was surprised the De Ligt tackle wasn't at least looked at by VAR, would have been a little harsh but I've seen stuff like that given as a red before.

it would have been

[Ripley]

9 minutes ago, Cobs said:

it would have been

Certainly would.

Yesterday, "Tayls" had a good game. Highly likely to revert to Anthony Fücking Taylor next time.

[Gethin]

14 minutes ago, Cobs said:

it would have been

Would have been very quick if it was, commentary didn't mention that it was getting a serious look. Think it probably was only that De Ligt wasn't studs up that saved him

[Cobs]

4 minutes ago, Gethin said:

Would have been very quick if it was, commentary didn't mention that it was getting a serious look. Think it probably was only that De Ligt wasn't studs up that saved him

they look at everything

[Gethin]

1 minute ago, Cobs said:

they look at everything

Yes, but it looks like they looked at it and went "yellow is fine" very quickly and didn't take a look from a few angles. I only assume they didn't cos the commentary team (who have the VAR audio) didn't mention that they were taking a longer look. And you absolutely know Neville would have said something 

[LFCNeil90]

53 minutes ago, Gethin said:

Was also surprised that neither of the Diaz tackle on Casemiro for the second & the Mac Allister tackle on Mainoo for the 3rd weren't given as free kicks. Neither of them were but it's the type of think Taylor's got form for.

Yeah that's what I meant, could easily have given a very soft free kick and stopped us in our tracks but made the right calls.  Maybe refs really were fed up of Jürgen!

[Earl Hafler]

1 hour ago, Ripley said:

Certainly would.

Yesterday, "Tayls" had a good game. Highly likely to revert to Anthony Fücking Taylor next time.

He did

I've seen some good advantages played this season 

[Gethin]

Just now, Earl Hafler said:

He did

I've seen some good advantages played this season 

Only thing I wish they'd change with the advantage rule is to wait a little longer before deciding if it actually was an advantage before calling it back if it wasn't.

[Zoob]

I thought we should have had a pen at 3-0 (slow mo here). Gakpo was fouled with his foot inside the box just before Darwin did the shot from outside the box that went wide.  Looked like the ref "played the advantage?" Or they just didn't give it because we were already 3-0 up, but crap decision.  Or maybe they also want to keep Ten Hag in a job. 

[Ombudsam]

19 hours ago, oojason said:

Match 3 : Man Utd away.

Ref: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. 4th official: Sam Barrott. VAR: John Brooks.

 

Nothing much from Greater Manchester's Anthony Taylor and comedy sidekick John Brooks.

Partly because even they realised this was a game even their skills could not help Utd - so they realised it was better to save all that for another day - where they can have an influence.

They did let a series of late 'challenges' from the Utd players go as they were obviously frustrated at being embarrassed on the pitch - eventually even Taylor gave some yellow cards to put a stop to that as it was becoming a recurring theme.

 

There was a bad high and late tackle from De Ligt on Luis Diaz out wide on 65'...

... but Taylor just gave his usual 'play it safe / do the bare minimum' yellow card - despite the 'challenge' being high, late / nowhere near the ball, followed through with force, and was out of control. VAR John Brooks did nothing.

De Ligt was subbed off minutes later.

 

There’s gonna be some actually shocking decisions go against us this season. You’ll be out of breath if this is your run up.

[oojason]

 

Match 4: Forest at home. Lost 1-0.

Ref: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Stuart Burt, Dan Cook. 4th Official: Anthony Backhouse. VAR: Graham Scott.

 

Ref and officials were poor -  and bought straight into Forest's continuing breaking up of play - however we were worse. 

Much, much worse.

Oliver frustratingly inconsistent as usual (which he seems to actually enjoy and revel in)... and then settled into taking the path of last resistance... including ignoring Szoboszlai kicking the ball away after giving away a foul in the 94th minute (already on a yellow card).

Trent had words with Oliver at both half-time and full-time; probably the lack of injury-time for Forest's timewasting or simply Oliver being s***e?

 

Can't remember much else about this match or officials - partly because of how poor we were.

 

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Match 5 : Bournemouth at home. Won 3-0.

Ref: Tony Harrington. Assistants: Marc Perry, Derek Eaton. 4th Official: Bobby Madley. VAR: Graham Scott.

 

Thought the officials were decent - ref was straight in with a yellow card for Ryan Christie's high foot into Luis Diaz' chest in the 1st minute, and were good from them on in. 

VAR seemed uncharacteristically quick and efficient on Bournemouth's offside 'goal' on 4' too. Fair play.

 

Edited September 22 by oojason

[oojason]

League Match 7 : Palace away. Won 1-0.

Ref: Simon Hooper. Ass's: Adrian Holmes, Simon Long. 4th Official: Leigh Doughty. VAR: David Coote.

 

Simon Hooper complicated a perfectly easy game to referee.

Trading Standards will be overwhelmed receiving reports about this guy impersonating a competent referee (maybe they are every week?)

 

[Nebraska Red]

Bumbling buffoon.

 

[McBain]

He was f***ing dreadful 

[Ombudsam]

He annoyed me in the first half as it felt like he was giving Palace too much.

I didn’t realise that we were making deposits to cash out in the second half though. All in all, it worked out

[Zoob]

2 hours ago, Ombudsam said:

He annoyed me in the first half as it felt like he was giving Palace too much.

I didn’t realise that we were making deposits to cash out in the second half though. All in all, it worked out

We press for the ball more than many teams, so I do understand how we can concede more free kicks sometimes, but it's games like this that I mention what constitutes a foul being different for each team. Hooper was less useless in the last 30 mins of the game, but for most of it, he game Palace very soft free kicks while allowing them to be very aggressive in holding, pushing or catching our players without blowing up. We had the vast majority of possession, and yet we conceded 15 fouls to their 7. right o.

And he looked completely out of breath after the first minute, the useless lump. 

[Jarg Armani]

Absolutely useless ref, one of the worst in the league