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[Magic8Ball]

The great Tevez debate

By NEIL ASHTON - More by this author » Last updated at 07:36am on 4th May 2007

 

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Why are West Ham still playing an ineligible player?

 

Because Carlos Tevez never was ineligible. The Premier League did not have a problem with the Argentina striker?s registration ? they had a problem with the third-party agreement between West Ham and Kia Joorabchian?s company, MSI.

 

What is the agreement?

 

Effectively, it means Tevez signed away his rights and put his destiny in the hands of Joorabchian, who contracted him to West Ham.

 

It allows Joorabchian to dictate when Tevez is transferred but the Premier League say leaving West Ham should be up to the player.

 

What if Joorabchian wants to move Tevez to another club?

 

That?s another problem. West Ham may not wish to transfer him. The Premier League argued that the agreement is a restraint of trade.

 

Joorabchian maintains that his contract with West Ham is valid, but the Premier League?s Independent Commission say it is unenforceable in law and set it aside. They have given a copy of the report to Joorabchian?s lawyers.

 

 

So if the agreement was invalid, why were West Ham fined £5.5million?

 

They admitted breaching rules B13 and U18. As well as being fined, they were given two options: renegotiate the agreement to satisfy the Premier League ? as Liverpool did when they signed Javier Mascherano, who arrived at West Ham under a similar agreement with Joorabchian; or tear up the agreement so that they could continue to play Tevez.

 

So what did they do?

 

They tore up the third-party agreement so that Tevez could play against Wigan.

 

And then what happened?

 

Tevez was man of the match in their 3-0 win.

 

No, not that. Why are people saying Tevez will not play against Bolton on Saturday?

 

It can be argued ? and probably will be ? that if West Ham no longer have a contract with the man who owns Tevez?s contract, they have no right to play him.

 

So will Tevez play against Bolton?

 

Yes, unless he pulls a hamstring during a conversation with Joorabchian on Friday night.

 

What happens next?

 

West Ham want to renegotiate the Tevez deal at the end of the season, which, in their eyes, means he can play in their final two games against Bolton and Manchester United. Joorabchian wants to renegotiate it now.

 

So there?s more to come?

It?s not over till the fat lady sings, so watch this space.

 

 

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Bottom line seems to be that Tevez is not a WHU player, could this be an opportunity for us to get this player much as we did with Masherano ?

[Guest RedLegend]

I'd prefer an out and out goalscorer which Tevez isn't.

[charlie clown]

he's the sort of player I'd rather have on our side than have hgim playing against us but not sure he's what we'd need or that he'd fit into our system(s).

[cymrococh]

He could be a strong, ugly, Luis Garcia. I think he'd be great.

[Gilps]

If we're going to be playing more of the 4-2-3-1, he'd be ideal as one of the 3.

[yellow jumper]

voronin's similar in style.

[Magic8Ball]

What we've failed to do this season is break down teams that want to defend against us

some say a world class striker is the answer, but I think its more basic than that.

What we have are a number of good passers of the ball, Alonso, Gerrard and Masherano can hit one of our players

with a pass of over 20 yards no problem, but this sort of passing is only really beneficial in an open game.

Of the 3 midfielders only Gerrard can actually run the ball at the opposition committing defenders and forcing them to make mistakes

yet despite this ability Gerrard is not a ball carrier.

In short we have no ball carriers in the team other than Pennant who is regularly double teamed, some say we are missing Kewell ( could be true)

but what's for sure is we miss the ability to run the ball and create a moment of unexpected magic that sort of ability with our natural passing game

would mean a lot more chances for our strikers and our midfield, ie a sharing of the goal scoring through out the team

 

I see Tevez as the sort of player who would allow Kuyt to play further forward and thus be in a goal scoring position more often, Tevez would be a great option

to allow us to change our game when things are not going for us, and I expect that Tevez would be able to hold onto the ball better than Garcia

 

In short I feel a player like Tevez would allow us to score more goals and the goal scoring would be better spread around the team, this I believe is something

Rafa would prefer over the option of a single goal scorer

[Snookie]

He's an exceptional player who has demonstrated real heart at WHU. I'd have him in a heartbeat to be honest.

[pipnasty]

He's an exceptional player who has demonstrated real heart at WHU. I'd have him in a heartbeat to be honest.

 

My thoughts exactly - I've been really impressed with him.

[Dee]

i've been saying this for ages

and lennon too

[Guest RedLegend]

What we've failed to do this season is break down teams that want to defend against us

some say a world class striker is the answer, but I think its more basic than that.

What we have are a number of good passers of the ball, Alonso, Gerrard and Masherano can hit one of our players

with a pass of over 20 yards no problem, but this sort of passing is only really beneficial in an open game.

Of the 3 midfielders only Gerrard can actually run the ball at the opposition committing defenders and forcing them to make mistakes

yet despite this ability Gerrard is not a ball carrier.

In short we have no ball carriers in the team other than Pennant who is regularly double teamed, some say we are missing Kewell ( could be true)

but what's for sure is we miss the ability to run the ball and create a moment of unexpected magic that sort of ability with our natural passing game

would mean a lot more chances for our strikers and our midfield, ie a sharing of the goal scoring through out the team

 

I see Tevez as the sort of player who would allow Kuyt to play further forward and thus be in a goal scoring position more often, Tevez would be a great option

to allow us to change our game when things are not going for us, and I expect that Tevez would be able to hold onto the ball better than Garcia

 

In short I feel a player like Tevez would allow us to score more goals and the goal scoring would be better spread around the team, this I believe is something

Rafa would prefer over the option of a single goal scorer

 

The goals are spread throughout the team now as it is. We need a goalscorer. Tevez (good player though he is) would be another bits and pieces scorer who might get 10 a season at a push. We have plenty of those. Look back through the Premiership and the team that wins the league nearly always has a 20+ goals a season man. Tevez is a good player but not what we need IMO.

 

Wouldn't be against him coming here but he's not a priority IMO.

[Mike]

i've never been totally convinced by him.

[RafaShanks]

voronin's similar in style.

 

Rather have Tevez than Voronin. Still puzzled with what he's gonna exactly add to us.

 

Is it too late to cancel it?

[Tones]

Rather have Tevez than Voronin. Still puzzled with what he's gonna exactly add to us.

 

Is it too late to cancel it?

 

I dont think Rafa would want to cancel it. Im sure he knew when he signed him that investment was coming in along wiht the extra tv money etc yet he still picked him up. I have never seen him play so cant judge, but Rafa must like him.

[Leo No.8]

Skilful player in the final third who is fast as f*ck and runs past defenders.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that's not exactly what we lack at the moment. We're strong with great depth defensively, have probably the best central midfield quartet in world football, but we've basically got one established player who can run with the ball past defenders (Gerrard), one who is starting to do it (Pennant) and that's it.

 

We need a forward who can do this (Tevez fits the bill nicely) as the current lot all have excellent attributes but none could be called ball carriers, and at least one attacking midfielder who can too, possibly two.

 

That's all we need this summer, it really is all we lack.

Edited May 4, 2007 by Leo No.8

[Magic8Ball]

This guy is single handedly saving the hammers, scored 2 today and set up the third --- he has all the skill and pace of Rooney without the suspect attitude, how people can say we dont need this type of player is beyond me

[Maldini]

He's as good as Rooney.

[Ginu]

do we have to sign his male companion? not that there's anything wrong with that

[DazzlaJ]

do we have to sign his male companion?

 

???

[McBain]

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

 

Written by a man i wouldn't believe if he said rain was wet. But still worth posting i suppose

 

Ah. Just seen it posted in the main forum. Ignore

Edited May 6, 2007 by Mcbain

[Magic8Ball]

RAFA'S SECRET TALKS TO NAB TEVEZ

Exclusive by Alan Nixon

 

CARLOS TEVEZ will quit West Ham at the end of the season whether they stay up or not - with Liverpool ready to head the £12million bidding.

 

Argentine striker Tevez is going to move on, with his agents and 'owners' fuming about the way they have been carved out of the controversial deal that has put Hammers in the dock.

 

Wannabe Hammers owner Kia Joorabchian - the man who brought Tevez and Javier Mascherano in on a double deal - met Kop chief Rafa Benitez in a London hotel before yesterday's game at Fulham.

 

Benitez already has taken Mascherano on loan with a view to a full-time buy and now his pal Tevez is being lined up to join him for next season too.

 

Top insiders reveal that Tevez now will be found a new home in the Premiership and that is sure to spark further anger about who controls the South American star.

 

Hammers were fined £5.5million for misleading the Premier League about third-party ownership of Tevez by Joorabchian - and they were advised to rip up the contract with him.

 

 

But the reaction from Tevez's camp is to move the striker on as soon as possible - and that will only add fuel to the fire about who profits from his moves.

 

I understand that Tevez's advisors already have been in Brazil to thrash out their slice of the transfer with Corinthians, the club he was signed from last August.

 

The plan is for Tevez's next club - with possibly Manchester United and Chelsea also keen - to pay £12m to Corinthians, who will then pay back the money owed to Joorabchian and his sidekicks.

 

West Ham may end up with nothing from the deal.

 

Tevez's contractual arrangements have been a shambles since Joorabchian brought him and Mascherano to West Ham.

 

Now six Premier League clubs want Hammers docked points for the part they played in the moves.

 

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Hope we get him, even if its as a replacement for Bellamy ( he's better than Bellamy IMHO )

So the question is, did Rafa pick up some stones from a fountain or use the condiments to talk about where Tevez could be playing next season

Surely it cant have escaped Tevez's notice how well Mash as done at Liverpool.

In our favour should we be interested:

are the number of Argentinians here at the club, should make him feel more at home

He still doesnt speak english so, the transition would also be easier here

We're playing well with a chance of winning things

we have access to one of the greatest stages of world football

 

etc etc

[Bo Benn]

Am I the only one with the scary feeling than Voronin will go on and do a Sean Dundee on us?

[Hassony]

Am I the only one with the scary feeling than Voronin will go on and do a Sean Dundee on us?

he is a free transfer who is coming to be a squad player, not a big risk really

[Bo Benn]

he is a free transfer who is coming to be a squad player, not a big risk really

 

I know but if we keep Crouch, Kuyt and Bellamy and/or bring in a new striker for new american $$$ where would he come in to the picture? Plus we'll have Garcia back next season

Edited May 6, 2007 by obey Hysén

[Hassony]

I know but if we keep Crouch, Kuyt and Bellamy and/or bring in a new striker for new american $$$ where would he come in to the picture? Plus we'll have Garcia back next season

he is replacing fowler and its looking more likely that Bellamy is being replaced as well