That's exactly how I feel as well Dave. I wonder if Gerrard can play on Wed and then go for his op? Am worried for Rafa, not least because I think he feels the whole future of the club rests on his shoulders, given what he knows about the owners and the way they operate. I think anyone else would have walked by now, after Athens, after the Klinsmann incident, after getting no money to spend for the last 2 summers, but all the time the expectation is building from the fans. The media are definitely out for him. It's a tipping point. They Lyon game is critical, but it's the off the pitch stuff, the debt and the owners that really worry me. If they don't sell, I think it's a matter of time before we self destruct. Imagine as a manager having to keep players like Babel and Voronin when you know they are not good enough, but you know if you sell them the money will disappear and you'll be 2 men down. Thats f***ing mind boggling for a manager of the last 40 years at LFC. It's a shift away from all we stand for.