5 officials in the UEFA Cup next year.

[psl]

Apparently there will be two extra linos in the Europa League next year, two stood behind the goal to decide on goal line issues. I really don't understand why they don't just put cameras on the goal line.

Edited May 31, 2009 by psl

[Falconhoof]

yes cameras. But, at what point does the referee ask for video evidence ? In what situations, how many times in a game and do the managers or captains of the team have a right to call for video evidence for an incident?

[stressederic]

Be interesting to see how that plays out.

[rikf]

yes cameras. But, at what point does the referee ask for video evidence ? In what situations, how many times in a game and do the managers or captains of the team have a right to call for video evidence for an incident?

 

They seem to have been able to sort out these issues in Cricket and Rugby and they are even using the Hawkeye technology in tennis now, why not Football?

[bobbyboulders]

Apparently there will be two extra linos in the Europa League next year, two stood behind the goal to decide on goal line issues. I really don't understand why they don't just put cameras on the goal line.

 

Cause cameras, among other things, militate against the "simplicity" of the game. For some, it's important that the game played at the highest level be as close as possible an approximation to that played at much lower levels. 99.9% of all games of football are played in pretty basic conditions, and it's not like goal line cameras could ever be used in these circumstances. I suppose the thinking with using the extra officials is that it's at least reproducible on the African Savannah or some such.

 

And personally, I quite enjoyed seeing Chelsea having a perfectly good goal disallowed yesterday cause the officials couldn't keep up with play.

[Zoob]

This is absurd. 2 extra officials to deal with issues that occur so infrequently is almost entirely pointless. In terms of 'did it cross the line; type incidents - that must be one in 40-50 matches. In terms of did it go out for a corner before the keeper stopped it etc slightly more frequent, but still hardly game changing moments most of the time.

[Raj]

Cause cameras, among other things, militate against the "simplicity" of the game. For some, it's important that the game played at the highest level be as close as possible an approximation to that played at much lower levels. 99.9% of all games of football are played in pretty basic conditions, and it's not like goal line cameras could ever be used in these circumstances. I suppose the thinking with using the extra officials is that it's at least reproducible on the African Savannah or some such.

 

And personally, I quite enjoyed seeing Chelsea having a perfectly good goal disallowed yesterday cause the officials couldn't keep up with play.

 

Correct

[surf]

and you can bet the one time they are called upon they make the wrong decision, people make mistakes

[Sion]

I think they should put more effort into outing corruption instead

Before kick off today Canbet had Bologna Vs Catania to finish 3-1 to Bologna at odds of 3.5. Even a once a year punter will know that's amazingly low for such a random correct score.

What did they game finish? you guessed it, 3-1 to Bologna

Edited May 31, 2009 by Sion

[Zoob]

I think they should put more effort into outing corruption instead

Before kick off today Canbet had Bologna Vs Catania to finish 3-1 to Bologna at odds of 3.5. Even a once a year punter will know that's amazingly low for such a random correct score.

What did they game finish? you guessed it, 3-1 to Bologna

 

Did you get any money on that? that is an absurdly obvious fix

[Stevie H]

Cause cameras, among other things, militate against the "simplicity" of the game. For some, it's important that the game played at the highest level be as close as possible an approximation to that played at much lower levels. 99.9% of all games of football are played in pretty basic conditions, and it's not like goal line cameras could ever be used in these circumstances. I suppose the thinking with using the extra officials is that it's at least reproducible on the African Savannah or some such.

 

And personally, I quite enjoyed seeing Chelsea having a perfectly good goal disallowed yesterday cause the officials couldn't keep up with play.

agree with this and always will. mistakes are an intrinsic part of football and the game doesn't need any more complications.

[growler]

why just add extra linesmen? 1 for each goal and 2 for each half of the pitch.

 

don't like the idea of technology. I agree with FIFA that the game I play in a park is the same the top clubs play.

[John am Rhein]

These new officials - is watching the goal line ALL they'll do?

[Stevie H]

These new officials - is watching the goal line ALL they'll do?

rumour seems to be that they'll also watch for shirt-pulling etc at corners and dead balls. i think football would benefit more from major rule and punishment changes rather than from sticking loads of extra match officials into the mix.

[DanielS]

rumour seems to be that they'll also watch for shirt-pulling etc at corners and dead balls. i think football would benefit more from major rule and punishment changes rather than from sticking loads of extra match officials into the mix.

 

They just have to enforce the laws they already have. Five penalties / 20 free-kicks in each of the first few games of the new season will soon put a stop to the wrestling that goes on in the penalty box.

[John am Rhein]

They just have to enforce the laws they already have. Five penalties / 20 free-kicks in each of the first few games of the new season will soon put a stop to the wrestling that goes on in the penalty box.

 

Bear in mind that any such innovation would be used to favour Man United.

[DanielS]

Bear in mind that any such innovation would be used to favour Man United.

 

So? They'll only get 1 more penalty than usual per game.

[surf]

rumour seems to be that they'll also watch for shirt-pulling etc at corners and dead balls. i think football would benefit more from major rule and punishment changes rather than from sticking loads of extra match officials into the mix.

to justify their roles as officials who are not sat on their a*** doing nothing all game they'll want to 'see' a lot of infractions. you can bet there will be loads more stoppages in play and pedantic free-kicks if this goes through 

[growler]

for a short time. How often do you see a whistle blown for the back pass rule?

 

The thing is, shirt pulling and diving are now acceptable in the game. Once they are punished people will stop doing it.

 

As for the mancs getting more penalties, I think we are up there now. the reason is we spend more time in th eopposition penalty area, therefore more chance of a penalty.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

This is absurd. 2 extra officials to deal with issues that occur so infrequently is almost entirely pointless. In terms of 'did it cross the line; type incidents - that must be one in 40-50 matches. In terms of did it go out for a corner before the keeper stopped it etc slightly more frequent, but still hardly game changing moments most of the time.

but the game at the highest level has a lot more riding on it than a Sunday League game. Potentially bankruptcy etc, people's livelihoods

[Jarg Armani]

Bear in mind that any such innovation would be used to favour Man United.

 

This is a worry. Not that it would be used as such out of some sort of conspiracaaah, but because more officials = more people to be bullied, if any one of them has the right of veto on any given decision this could be very bad news for any games at OT, which are something of a cakewalk as it is.

[Stevie H]

but the game at the highest level has a lot more riding on it than a Sunday League game. Potentially bankruptcy etc, people's livelihoods

i f***ing hate that line of argument. the sport itself, the actual game, is largely the same as it was a hundred years ago, it isn't the game that's changed. additional importance has been put on it externally and that in itself is not a reason to change the fundamentals of the game. goalline technology would not improve football either as a sport or as a spectacle. leave it the f*** alone.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

part of me agrees with that Stevie - the more laws you introduce - i.e. the more you f*** about with the game - the more there is to get wrong & you eventually reduce consistency.

 

Now about 50% of red cards seem to get appealed. I don't remember a red being appealed in the 80s

[shaq]

i f***ing hate that line of argument. the sport itself, the actual game, is largely the same as it was a hundred years ago, it isn't the game that's changed. additional importance has been put on it externally and that in itself is not a reason to change the fundamentals of the game. goalline technology would not improve football either as a sport or as a spectacle. leave it the f*** alone.

 

I would argue that a fundamental of the game is that a goal is given when the ball crosses the goalline between the posts. Don't see how implementing technology to ensure that fundamental is adhered changes the fundamentals of the game?

[Stevie H]

I would argue that a fundamental of the game is that a goal is given when the ball crosses the goalline between the posts. Don't see how implementing technology to ensure that fundamental is adhered changes the fundamentals of the game?

it would undermine the referee's authority.