ah ok, if I remember rightly I was saying it was mixed feelings between delight at America getting what was coming to it and horror for the individual victims (not all of whom were American, of course). I'm sure I've made hundreds or even thousands of other 9/11 related comments, on here and elsewhere. Can you explain, though, why you think this is 'showing me up' or assume that I or anybody else would be concerned about how they are pictured by other people on this forum? Perhaps it's understandable with your own experiences that you might misinterpret a belligerent and sometimes violent attitude to certain types of people (usually right-wing and racist scum) as 'hardman posturing' but I can assure you that this is a misunderstanding on your part. I won't deny that I am often a quite bad-tempered person and will, therefore, AVOID potentially violent situations for that reason - the post by Bailo about going on Labour canvassing efforts is a prime example of that. it's hard to argue. Despite my strong wish to vote against Labour because of their EU policy, the Lib Dems are doing their best to make me vote against them as well. I may yet end up voting Labour by default.