Sick and tired

[Kop_90]

Over the last few weeks / months i am sick and tired of the negative image of our club in the press, with fans of other teams and even our own fans.

 

According to some, we have thrown away the league, play negative Football and are awful to watch. I know things could and should be better but they could also be a lot worse.

 

Since 2000 i have witnessed, The Best ever UEFA Cup Final, The Best ever FA Cup Final and The Best ever European Cup Final. Many great games at Anfield, albeit many of them European games. I for one have enjoyed most of my frequent visits to support our great team.

 

Would i rather watch Chelsea when they were boring their way to the League under The Special One, Arsenal and their "1-0 to the Arsenal" explains how they played for years. I know they have both had very good teams in the last few years but i still would not swap my last 40 years of following Liverpool.

 

Utd have had a great last 10 years (I know it hurts), I hope it comes to an end soon and we are in a position to challenge.

 

RAFA has brought us on tremendously over the last 4 years and we are easily as good as Chelsea and Arsenal, some would say as good as Utd. We should be closer in the League but what many do not realise is that they went on a run of 12 winning games and overtook us at the top of the league. Most teams would have had at least 1 draw possibly 2 within that period, if that were the case we would be within a few points of them.

 

We have drawn games we should have won and they have won games they should have drawn.

If only we could get behind the team for the last 10 games, we are closer than we ever have been and need one last push to see where it takes us.

 

We play good football and entertain when we are confident and our best players fit and on form, the same as any other team. I hope those who say we will never win the League under RAFA are proved wrong. RAFA is a special Manager and loves Liverpool, I expect rubbish in the papers and ill feeling from fans of other teams but not from our own.

 

Support the team or else move aside and let someone else in, don't boo your own players and remember the Liverpool traditions.

 

The Liverpool Way.

[owenthomas]

the problem isn't really the media per se.. the problem is the fans (of our club and others) who listen to it or read it and then begin to repeat it.. that's where the problem lies..

 

the media will always have an agenda - whether it's football, politics or celebrity culture.. what we - you - have to do as fans is make up your own mind on what you see in front of you and form your own opinions on that..

 

i've got mates who don't go the match as regularly as me who i'll drink with after they've watched it on Sky Sports and their view of the game is totall different to mine and, more often than not, their viewpoint is crafted by what they've heard during the commentary on the game.. similarly, once Sky begin their repeating of a subject ad nauseam then it's picked up on as fact by the papers and suddenly becomes lore..

 

it's hard not to get prickly over things sometimes - i know i do - but again your own opinions will (or at least should) outweigh any negativity the media is trying to peddle.. f*** them..

[Saintslfc13]

the problem isn't really the media per se.. the problem is the fans (of our club and others) who listen to it or read it and then begin to repeat it.. that's where the problem lies..

 

the media will always have an agenda - whether it's football, politics or celebrity culture.. what we - you - have to do as fans is make up your own mind on what you see in front of you and form your own opinions on that..

 

i've got mates who don't go the match as regularly as me who i'll drink with after they've watched it on Sky Sports and their view of the game is totall different to mine and, more often than not, their viewpoint is crafted by what they've heard during the commentary on the game.. similarly, once Sky begin their repeating of a subject ad nauseam then it's picked up on as fact by the papers and suddenly becomes lore..

 

it's hard not to get prickly over things sometimes - i know i do - but again your own opinions will (or at least should) outweigh any negativity the media is trying to peddle.. f*** them..

Spot on, Completely agree.

 

That's sad that your friends actually listen to those c**** though. 9/10 times the commentary on our games is always biased in an anti-LFC way. Occasionally you get someone on there who can't be bothered to join in the hate party, and even then his co-commentator will still try to get cheeky digs in at us. I've always found it quite obvious, some are more openly biased than others but for the most part they all seem to have a little bit of a grudge against us.

 

I'm sure you've done already but if not maybe you should watch the game with them next time to ensure they're properly notified when the commentators are bashing on our players, manager, or team, simply for the sake of it. Sometimes the easily manipulated need a bit of guidance to come through the lies of the cleverer t**** in the world.

 

Anyone know who we're going to have to listen to for the manc game?

[owenthomas]

to be fair to some of them, it's hard not to get carried along if you don't go to the match regularly.. if something's repeated enough times then it becomes 'fact'.. even the miserable sod that is John Aldridge was banging on about zonal marking the other day (after we got beat by Boro i think it was)..

 

"{paraphrasing} i've had enough of it.. zonal marking doesn't work.. it hasn't worked for 5 years now.. we need the lads to be picking up their man.. but you know what, he won't change.. its the way he plays the game so he won't change"..

 

Aldo's a Liverpool legend.. for the easily influenced that's some tough talk that's hard to ignore..

 

Me? i was pissed off enough and mumbled "oh for f***s sake you miserable c***" and turned the radio off..

[Stevie H]

aldo and mcmahon are the archetypal great players but gobsh*te pundits. apparently houghton's as bad if not worse.

[jimmylibel]

aldo and mcmahon are the archetypal great players but gobsh*te pundits. apparently houghton's as bad if not worse.

 

THE WORST!

 

Last night came out with "Well if Liverpool can run rings around Real Madrid then I'd expect Manchester United to be even better against Inter Milan."

 

They weren't even talking about us but still was compelled to point out that we're not as good as the Mancs.

[Chili Palmer]

THE WORST!

 

Last night came out with "Well if Liverpool can run rings around Real Madrid then I'd expect Manchester United to be even better against Inter Milan."

 

They weren't even talking about us but still was compelled to point out that we're not as good as the Mancs.

 

 

Aldo used to be always defending us. whats changed?

[Hassony]

Aldo used to be always defending us. whats changed?

 

 

I think he still does, but he's got issues against certain players (Yossi, Lucas to name a couple)

 

I seem to remember that he was going on about how bad Yossi was after we beat united

[D.Boon]

If only someone had mentioned this before.

Edited March 12, 2009 by gackwilliams

[RP]

9/10 times the commentary on our games is always biased in an anti-LFC way. Occasionally you get someone on there who can't be bothered to join in the hate party, and even then his co-commentator will still try to get cheeky digs in at us. I've always found it quite obvious, some are more openly biased than others but for the most part they all seem to have a little bit of a grudge against us.

 

 

Do you/people really believe that?

[Mike]

aldo and mcmahon are the archetypal great players but gobsh*te pundits. apparently houghton's as bad if not worse.

stevie aldo is nothing like that.

[Gomez]

We need a decent PR department. One of the first things Kenyon did at the chavs was to get the hacks on side with jolly's etc. Our relationship with the press is awful, and I know people in the media (Liverpool fans) who have no time for Ian Cotton. If the main access point to the club for the media is unlikeable, what chance do we have?

 

We might not like it, but it's the way the game is played. Positive press equals less pressure on the manager and players and makes it easier to attract new fans and better sponsorship. I know the Liverpool Way is meant to be behind closed doors etc, but that is no longer possible with agents leaking everything anyway.

 

The general perception of us at the moment is we are dull defensive and ultimately failures for not winning the league. It doesn't matter what the reality is.

 

Tuesday will be completely forgotten by the media after the next loss or draw to a lower team, where as the mancs would be allowed to dine off it for months.

[Molby]

We need a decent PR department. One of the first things Kenyon did at the chavs was to get the hacks on side with jolly's etc. Our relationship with the press is awful, and I know people in the media (Liverpool fans) who have no time for Ian Cotton. If the main access point to the club for the media is unlikeable, what chance do we have?

 

We might not like it, but it's the way the game is played. Positive press equals less pressure on the manager and players and makes it easier to attract new fans and better sponsorship. I know the Liverpool Way is meant to be behind closed doors etc, but that is no longer possible with agents leaking everything anyway.

 

The general perception of us at the moment is we are dull defensive and ultimately failures for not winning the league. It doesn't matter what the reality is.

 

Tuesday will be completely forgotten by the media after the next loss or draw to a lower team, where as the mancs would be allowed to dine off it for months.

 

 

Ian Cotton

 

whatever we pay that man, we may as well tear up the money and throw it away

 

entirely typical of the Parry/Moores regime that we have a club spokesman that's a complete g******* instead of having one that people actually like

[Knox_Harrington]

stevie aldo is nothing like that.

He's a miserable snide. Who's often plain wrong. And dead basic.

[smithdown]

He's the omni-fan, better when reacting to good things than trying to explain bad things. Would be much better if his stock response - to questions about why we have dropped points or a startling new team selection - was "I wish I knew, Al" and leave it at that, rather than try to think his way through things.

[Mike]

He's a miserable snide. Who's often plain wrong. And dead basic.

 

he's nowhere near that bad.

[jimmylibel]

Aldo used to be always defending us. whats changed?

 

I meant Houghton to be honest.

[Flight]

Do you/people really believe that?

 

 

I believe the level of journalism and TV punditry in this country is so poor that tabloid untruths become accepted and spouted off as fact, rather than it being purposefully biased. The lowest common denominator tends to be a good slagging off and thus the myths are perpetrated.

 

Same effect.

 

 

You can predict what will be on the Sunday Supplement already. Rafa great in Europe, spent as much as Ferguson, doesn't understand what it takes to win the Prem and never will, wasted and lost enormous sums of money on players who aren't good enough. And of course, Real were just poor and rolled over for us, whilst Ferguson is the real special one, a tactical genius and outsmarted Mourihno. You could write the script for what they will say.

[Kahnee]

Out of interest, how many of us actually watch enough other games to make a case for us getting unfair treatment at the hands of commentaters? Sky and Setanta could spend their time laying into Chelsea, the Mancs, Bolton or Yeovil, I wouldn't have a clue.

I don't think we get the credit we always deserve in games, and Keys clearly has an agenda against us, but he may be an equally snide little s*** about other teams for all I know

[D.Boon]

The general perception of us at the moment is we are dull defensive and ultimately failures for not winning the league.

 

Which ultimately is not a million miles from the truth this season, as most on here would agree with. So whats the issue?

[timbos goals]

I have to say I do sometimes squirm when I read a reds fan taking umbridge at perceived injustices that I personally see as something or nothing.

 

However - and it's a massive 'however' - I don't think that as a passionate Red any of us can surely have watched football on Sky or the like this past decade or so and not picked up on the fact that the drift of pundit opinion concerning Liverpool FC and the ability/performances of the players individually [Owen/Stevie G/Nando apart] and collectively and that of their last two managers is at the very least ill-informed and at worst slanted so as to undermine and begrudge any positives those pundits may have witnessed.

 

I have not seen anything remotely approaching the corresponding tainting of performances/abilities with regard to any other club - albeit i have with regard to the odd glaringly obvious manager. And then it will have been a manager who has achieved nothing like the success of the two LFC managers.

 

I do not exclude Radio Merseyside from this sort of distorted coverage. Forinstance they as much as anybody have perpetuated the myth of Rafa's overall expenditure hugely exceeding that of David Moyes when as we now know an average net transfer expenditure of £16 million per annum will not hugely exceed that of many premier clubs.

Edited March 12, 2009 by timbos goals

[johngibo YPC]

Which ultimately is not a million miles from the truth this season, as most on here would agree with. So whats the issue?

 

What annoys me is that Man U are praised to high heaven. Ferguson is dubbed a genius. People are saying this is the best squad he has ever had and that they may well win everything this season.

Then they'll tirelessly bang on about how s**** the team are who are second to them

[D.Boon]

that they may well win everything this season.

 

Which they may well do. Like it or not if they do then they will rightly be compared to best British teams of the modern era.

 

Look i'm not saying some people have it in for us, they do and this mostly is down to Benitez being Spanish IMO.

 

That said an awful lot of things that are written and said are based in fact. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Knox_Harrington]

he's nowhere near that bad.

He has flashes where he isn't that bad but has flashes where he's worse. His base level is around that bad: He banged on after almost every game last season about playing Crouch, often shifting Torres wide right to get him in. "Torres can do what Kuyt is doing. Then we can play the big man." That's amongst his most stupid. The grief he gave Benayoun after we beat United was amongst his most snide. The s**** the gave the manager after the Pompey game is amongst the most miserable.

 

The lad's basic and s***. On a good day.

[johngibo YPC]

My Dad wrote into the Echo he was so sick of the sh*t he was giving Yossi a couple of months ago. Aldo commented on it saying it wasn't a vendetta, but it was starting to sound like it.