Swipe Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 clicky Article on the Beeb about Smith, which mentions that he disliked Hughes "intensely". Anyone know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Saw Tommy Smith speaking a couple of years ago and he still hates Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBain Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 As much as he hates Vlad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Tommy Smith was an old-style footballer - a so-called 'hard man'. I would have thought it highly likely that he would despise a modern-day cowardly footballer. But that's off-topic. Back to Emlyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swipe Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 Tommy Smith was an old-style footballer - a so-called 'hard man'. I would have thought it highly likely that he would despise a modern-day cowardly footballer. But that's off-topic. Back to Emlyn. Was it just a difference of personalities, mate? Hughes seemed to irk quite a few people didn't he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Garro Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Might have had something to do with the fact that as a player, Smith wasnt fit to lace Hughes' boots. Gets on my nerves this "I was a hard man" thing he does. You only have to look at the way Bremner took the piss out of him. He's now a bit of a rent-a-quote embarassment, reguarly trotting out the tired old "we won the league with 14 players" crap. This was also the man who swore blind that Steven Gerrards natural position was Right Back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigal Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Was it just a difference of personalities, mate? Hughes seemed to irk quite a few people didn't he Thought hughes was like Shankley's eyes and ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Childhood memory from the back of my mind, so maybe total b******s. Didn't Hughes replace Smith as captain, then go on to win major trophies in the same year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The walters step over Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 According to Smith, the start of it began when Hughes did his "Liverpool are magic, Everton are tragic" bit in public after we'd won something (might have been the '77 European Cup - but that part I'm not sure about). For some reason Smith went off his head about it and they never made up - Smith also accused Emlyn of saying that Brian Clough was a better manager than Bob Paisley which pi**ed Smithy of even more. Of course, that's just one side of the story - and imo it all seems a bit petty really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mally Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 seriously, is there anyone tommy smith does like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Palmer Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 a slight aside, but watched Phil Neals dream team on LFCTV last night, f*** me he is one boring git...I mean really really really boring, I swear the girl interviewing him nodded off a few times during his answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerik Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 It started before the Liverpool are Magic, Everton are Tragic chant I think.. In his book Tommy states that Emlyn was always sucking up to Paisley and trying to tell him who to play etc. etc. There was one time when Tommy was dropped and Liverpool played a shocker. At half-time Paisley had a go at Hughes stating "and you claimed we were slow at the back and needed to change things" or something of the sort which Smith took as Hughes having told Paisley to dtop Tommy. I think the issue of the captaincy was also one thing that bothered Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Might have had something to do with the fact that as a player, Smith wasnt fit to lace Hughes' boots.That's a little harsh on an extremely fine player for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I couldn't stand Smithy when he was a player still cant, but it was nothing to do with his football. He was a damn good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I like Smithy, he was my Grandad's favourite - my Grandad was a cantakerous old f***er, I always saw Smithy the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Cockles Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I met Emlyn at the 25th Anniversary Dinner for the 78 EC winning side. He was an absolute gentleman & I cried my eyes out when he died a few months later. Some people just don't get on, that's life. As for Phil Neal, had a few beers with him the same night, he's a good bloke. Not boring at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Boon Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 At half-time Paisley had a go at Hughes stating "and you claimed we were slow at the back and needed to change things" That sounds a bit far fetched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Palmer Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 As for Phil Neal, had a few beers with him the same night, he's a good bloke. Not boring at all! you should watch that programme then mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bologna Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Shankly created Liverpool, combining genius, wit, psychology, passion and iron-smelting. He believed in being first or nowhere. What he believed, his players believed, and Smith deferred to no man in his faith. Even when Emlyn Hughes replaced him as captain in 1974, and he could not bear to talk to the man, they played together in harmony on the pitch. "It was my club. I'd been there a damn sight longer than him.advertisement "Everything in my life was football, especially Liverpool, so why should I let this two-faced little so-and-so spoil my football life? But I did not entertain him, or speak to him off the pitch. Never." Their mutual loathing had been cemented earlier when Smith alleges that Hughes told him that a number Arsenal players were willing to throw a match for £50 a man. "I'd take a lie-detector test. He did say that, but I thought he might have been trying to set me up. I was that disgusted I didn't tell anyone except Ian Callaghan. From then on, I disliked him that much and he disliked me that much. As a footballer, he was very good. As a person, he wasn't." SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm....xml&page=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Cockles Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 you should watch that programme then mate... you haven't exactly sold it to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Garro Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a little harsh on an extremely fine player for usYes, I realise that now - I meant more about how good Emlyn was rather than how bad Smith was - which he clearly wasnt. I just dont think the man has an ounce of dignity in him - he is still doing interviews saying what he'd do to Ronaldo nowadays or how he'd have had Keane etc etc. Bit pathetic really, especially when he probably wasnt even the hardest man in our dressing room - I'm thinking Jimmy Case or Ray Kennedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconhoof Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I quite like the fact that Hughes and Smith loathed each other. There's a bit too much of this all mates together having a huddle in the centre circle nowadays. Sometimes an edgy relationship can bring out the best in people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconhoof Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Yes, I realise that now - I meant more about how good Emlyn was rather than how bad Smith was - which he clearly wasnt. I just dont think the man has an ounce of dignity in him - he is still doing interviews saying what he'd do to Ronaldo nowadays or how he'd have had Keane etc etc. Bit pathetic really, especially when he probably wasnt even the hardest man in our dressing room - I'm thinking Jimmy Case or Ray Kennedy. He says he'd keep his eye on the ball when facing Ronaldo, nothing to do with being a hard man.I didn't think Ray Kennedy was a hard man, was he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I'm thinking Jimmy Case. Souness said that he was the one of the hardest players he ever came across.Bremner, Giles & Yorath were also mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 hughes took the captaincy off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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