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Its been obvious for months Crouchihno would be sold - 18 months on his contract and not getting many games. If he won't sign he will be sold, end of. Sadly for us, theres one stat that matters more than any where he is concerned - how many free kicks does he give away ? Due to his height and gait, he often has decisions given against him that shouldn't be. There was even talk on here of a ref's body decision to target him. This will always count against him and I would suspect is a large part of Rafa deciding a while ago that he must move on.

Surprised no-one has mentioned Stephen Darby; another solid display from him. Pacheco showed some class; amazing for a 16 year old.

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To be fair Cobs, this whole season, Rafa has only played Riise at LB when he has had to (plus we have been poor when he has). Maybe you're right and he will continue to be our LB for a long time to come; time will tell.

And yet we haven't mounted anything like a title challenge. Lets be honest, Rafa has had to replace most of the team and squad

Correct, I really do think Riise holds back the team that much. Rafa will always put emphasis on defensive tactics; that means he will coach the team to cover each others weaknesses. Having Riise in there doesn't just mean we are suffering from his shortcomings, it means the people around him are going to suffer too - not just on the left wing, bit in central defence and defensive midfield, also. That has knock on effects through the whole team. People put too much weight on how mean our defence has often been with JAR in the team, but that ignores how much work others in the team put in because of his deficiencies and our recent performances suggest even Rafas tactical nouse can't carry both JAR and Sami's shortcomings in defence.

In all honesty I didn't; not without a new left back. I said, on another forum, that would change if we got Heinze.

Its getting past a joke people putting each other down just because they disagree on their opinions of some of our players. Why can't we all just get along - even if you don't see someones opinion theres no need to be rude or make derogatory comments. We're all red to the bone, so lets act like it. ps - discussions on Riise are exempt from this as he is obviously s***e and anyone who thinks otherwise is a delusional, narrow-minded, k****ead.

Is right; the only one of the inbreds I respect. He was on that Ferdinand wind up show; he had a brand new, very expensive car in a public car park. Some old girl pretended to have health problems near his car and he sat her down in the front seat. She had a bag of water and pretended to p*** over his brand new leather seats. Giggs wasn't in the least bit concerned about his car and only about the old bird. Had time for him ever since seeing that.

We've been playing miserable football because of Sami and Riise and being in the side together.

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Leiva occupied the space Stevie would have; he played very, very well. Instead of trying to force it direct, the way Stevie was, he kept the ball moving across the pitch, using the flanks, creating space everywhere with us having an extra man. I thought it was a nuts decision at the time, but given the way Leiva played it was the right one. I want to see more of the lad, but its obviously a problem of him playing in the same spaces as Stevie.

Is right and he sells shirts. They love a mannequin up there.

Couldn't disagree more. I'm not going to knock Rafa or the players, but it absolutely is about rotation. Yes, other teams rotate, but nowhere near as much as us. Having said that, maybe its something we need to go through to get where Rafa wants. Luckily, we only have 3 Prem games in the whole of October; hopefully Agger will be back for the third of them, against the a***. We'll soon pick up and turn this around. Apart from anything else, if we don't go through in the CL, Rafa will be forced to concentrate on the Prem. every cloud etc.

Its not his feet, its his age. I actually think Quieroz was given more responsibility at the beginning of the season and was a large part of their poor form. Taggart has, I believe, taken over most of the tactical decisions again. I'm not saying they are sinking, but it will be interesting to see how they get on towards the end of the season. particularly how many games they get out of Giggs and Scholes (33 and 34 next month). Nani was obviously massively overpriced and will no way replace Scholes. Another interesting thing will be to see how much money they are given for transfers next summer. How many players have they got coming to the end of their careers ?

I agree with you about economic success. They won't be able to do much marketing or have economic success if they lose the fans, though, and Rafa is in danger of doing that if he continues this rotation s**** for Torres. FFS our next game is Reading in the Mickey Mouse Cup, WTF is he doing not starting Torres today, for the second Prem game on the run.

Agree with most of the first post. 1. I don't rate Voronin as highly as some. He has scored in easy games and looked poor aside from them. 2. Babel is a forward not a left winger. 3. Riise shouldn't be at the club. If Rafa continues this rotation s**** for Torres, he will lose the fans. FFS our next game is Reading in the Mickey Mouse Cup - WTF is he doing not starting Torres today, for the second Prem game on the run.

LFCTV now live on Virgin boxes on Channel 544 by default, don't need to do any tuning in or anything. \o/ My poor missus thinks she is going to make me sit through a half dozen episodes of Big Love series 2 tonight.