The Rafa - GH comparison

[Maldini]

This one has raised it's head a few times in recent months, I noticed an interesting stat from Opta today though. Rafa's now managed exactly the same amount of games with us as GH did but while GH had a win ratio of 49% Rafa's is 55%.

[YNWAdownunder]

This one has raised it's head a few times in recent months, I noticed an interesting stat from Opta today though. Rafa's now managed exactly the same amount of games with us as GH did but while GH had a win ratio of 49% Rafa's is 55%.

 

we lost plenty more under GH --- whats the draw percentages like thats where the issue with rafa lies specially last season

[Cobs]

surprised they're both not higher than that tbh

 

GH won 6 trophies to Rafa's 4 too

[Damian_de]

No Chelsea

[Hassony]

surprised they're both not higher than that tbh

 

GH won 6 trophies to Rafa's 4 too

 

But Asian girls were crazier for Torres than they were for Owen

[Gunga Din]

Houllier took over a s**** team as well. i mean, a really bad side. Rafa took over a good side and didnt start from quite as far back as Ged

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Houllier took over a s**** team as well. i mean, a really bad side. Rafa took over a good side and didnt start from quite as far back as Ged

 

Please dont remind me.

[cymrococh]

Houllier took over a s**** team as well. i mean, a really bad side. Rafa took over a good side and didnt start from quite as far back as Ged

Is there any way of seeing the team for the last game before Houllier took over?

 

That could make for sobering reading.

[Cobs]

Is there any way of seeing the team for the last game before Houllier took over?

 

That could make for sobering reading.

19 Brad Friedel

20 Stig Inge Bjørnebye

23 Jamie Carragher

5 Steve Staunton

14 Vegard Heggem

4 Jason McAteer

8 Øyvind Leonhardsen

25 David Thompson

17 Paul Ince

10 Michael Owen

9 Robbie Fowler

 

although perhaps a tad unfair as that was a league cup game

 

 

last Premier League team before GH took sole control

 

1 David James

20 Stig Inge Bjørnebye

23 Jamie Carragher

5 Steve Staunton

14 Vegard Heggem

11 Jamie Redknapp

15 Patrik Berger

7 Steve McManaman

17 Paul Ince

10 Michael Owen

9 Robbie Fowler

 

 

and now the last team before Rafa took over

 

1 Jerzy Dudek

4 Sami Hyypia

18 John Arne Riise

23 Jamie Carragher

3 Steve Finnan

13 Danny Murphy

16 Dietmar Hamann

17 Steven Gerrard

7 Harry Kewell

8 Emile Heskey

10 Michael Owen

Edited May 20, 2010 by Cobs

[David Hodgson]

This one has raised it's head a few times in recent months, I noticed an interesting stat from Opta today though. Rafa's now managed exactly the same amount of games with us as GH did but while GH had a win ratio of 49% Rafa's is 55%.

[cymrococh]

last Premier League team before GH took sole control

 

1 David James

20 Stig Inge Bjørnebye

23 Jamie Carragher

5 Steve Staunton

14 Vegard Heggem

11 Jamie Redknapp

15 Patrik Berger

7 Steve McManaman

17 Paul Ince

10 Michael Owen

9 Robbie Fowler

 

 

and now the last team before Rafa took over

 

1 Jerzy Dudek

4 Sami Hyypia

18 John Arne Riise

23 Jamie Carragher

3 Steve Finnan

13 Danny Murphy

16 Dietmar Hamann

17 Steven Gerrard

7 Harry Kewell

8 Emile Heskey

10 Michael Owen

Rafa's inherited a far better group there, but the team that GH took over is a lot better than I remembered.

[Knox_Harrington]

f*** me. I'm going to go spare and Jarg's going to postal.

[Cobs]

Rafa's inherited a far better group there, but the team that GH took over is a lot better than I remembered.

 

they're both better than this

 

25 Jose Reina

16 Sotirios Kyrgiakos

5 Daniel Agger

23 Jamie Carragher

8 Steven Gerrard

19 Ryan Babel

20 Javier Mascherano

21 Lucas Leiva

4 Alberto Aquilani

31 Nabil El Zhar

18 Dirk Kuyt

[Hassony]

Houllier took over a s**** team as well. i mean, a really bad side. Rafa took over a good side and didnt start from quite as far back as Ged

 

Houllier still had Owen, Fowler, Gerrard, Redknapp and carragher

 

it wasn't as bad as you making it out to be

[matty]

they're both better than this

 

25 Jose Reina

16 Sotirios Kyrgiakos

5 Daniel Agger

23 Jamie Carragher

8 Steven Gerrard

19 Ryan Babel

20 Javier Mascherano

21 Lucas Leiva

4 Alberto Aquilani

31 Nabil El Zhar

18 Dirk Kuyt

 

Tears in my eyes reading that.

[cymrococh]

they're both better than this

 

25 Jose Reina

16 Sotirios Kyrgiakos

5 Daniel Agger

23 Jamie Carragher

8 Steven Gerrard

19 Ryan Babel

20 Javier Mascherano

21 Lucas Leiva

4 Alberto Aquilani

31 Nabil El Zhar

18 Dirk Kuyt

Probably, just.

[Benzo-13]

She looks great there. I'd love to tap that..

[johngibo YPC]

Rafa's inherited a far better group there, but the team that GH took over is a lot better than I remembered.

 

Rafa didn't inherit Owen really though. He inherited Cisse instead

[Jarg Armani]

I don't think anybody is saying Houllier is better.

 

Interesting that this pops up after Rafa's 4 trophies interview... Very GH that was.

 

Anyway, the main difference for me is that the league is much tougher post Abramovich, some of it is a knock on effect, (united and city) but most of it is just as a result of the league being pumped with money. For Rafa to have a better wins to games ratio despite this, a horrible season of no-shows and several poor starts/ends to seasons tells the story.

[Maldini]

 

That's gone well over my head

[Knox_Harrington]

Here's one. Would Benitez have done better in the league with the Treble season/season after squad than Houllier did?

 

Certainly would have had us playing higher and got more out of the more technically and tactically switched on players.

[Cobs]

Here's one. Would Benitez have done better in the league with the Treble season/season after squad than Houllier did?

 

 

depends whether it was the Rafa of last season - in which case, maybe

 

or this season - in which case, not a prayer

 

 

Certainly would have had us playing higher and got more out of the more technically and tactically switched on players.

 

who are you thinking of ?

[Gunga Din]

Here's one. Would Benitez have done better in the league with the Treble season/season after squad than Houllier did?

 

Certainly would have had us playing higher and got more out of the more technically and tactically switched on players.

 

dunno about the playing higher bit, Knox. Rafa's sides play every bit, if not deeper, than Houlliers

[Rory Fitzgerald]

they're both better than this

 

25 Jose Reina

16 Sotirios Kyrgiakos

5 Daniel Agger

23 Jamie Carragher

8 Steven Gerrard

19 Ryan Babel

20 Javier Mascherano

21 Lucas Leiva

4 Alberto Aquilani

31 Nabil El Zhar

18 Dirk Kuyt

 

If you take El Zhar and Babel out, have no wide men, play with just the 9 and you improve the team by about Forfty percent.

[Crazy Horse]

What about the Rafa - Orson Welles comparison? That's who his arc most reminds me of.