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Cup winners to qualify for Champions League

 

 

England will keep four places under Platini plan

Uefa proposals to breathe new life into FA's flagship

 

Paul Kelso

Friday August 24, 2007

The Guardian

 

Future FA Cup winners will automatically receive a place in the Champions League under proposals for the fundamental reform of the competition due to be considered by Uefa next week. The move, which would provide a huge boost to the FA Cup and revolutionise the status of domestic knockout competitions across Europe, is part of a proposal to be unveiled by the Uefa president Michel Platini prior to the Champions League group stage draw next week.

 

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Platini was elected Uefa president last year, promising to reduce the maximum number of Champions League entrants from a single country from four to three, a pledge that won him support from many of Europe's smaller national associations.

 

That proposal was opposed by the most powerful leagues and clubs in Europe however, and Platini is understood to have revised his proposals, with the domestic cup option being offered as a compromise. Currently the top four clubs in the Premier League qualify for the Champions League, with two progressing straight to the group stage and two entering the third and final qualifying round.

 

By granting a place to the FA Cup winners from the 2009-2010 season England would retain four entrants but it is hoped that the pool of competitors will spread beyond the predictable "big four" clubs.

 

Platini is keen to widen the Champions League pool; currently the champions from only nine countries are guaranteed a place in the group stage, with the runners-up from six of those also qualifying directly for the latter stages and the remaining 43 national champions having to play qualifying rounds. By allowing the Cup winners to enter, possibly in a qualifying competition, Platini believes Europe's elite competition will become less predictable and open to a wider spread of clubs.

 

Along with England, the Spanish and Italian leagues also receive the maximum four entrants; France, Germany and Portugal have three, two of which go straight to the group stage, while Holland, Greece and Russia have two. Liverpool and Arsenal play the second legs of their qualifying matches next week.

 

Under Platini's proposal the three leading nations will retain four entrants, with three based on league position and the fourth coming from the FA Cup. The proposal has the support of national associations including the FA, who would benefit from having a Champions League place effectively in their gift.

 

Clubs and leagues are less well disposed to the idea and that opposition is likely to be aired next week at a meeting of Uefa's Professional Football Strategy Council.

 

The PFSC includes representatives from national associations, professional leagues, clubs and the players' unions. The FA chairman Geoff Thompson, his Premier League counterpart Sir Dave Richards and Chelsea's chief executive Peter Kenyon are all members of the committee. Last month the European Professional Leagues umbrella group, of which Richards is chairman, registered its opposition, stating "anything which could affect negatively the league's competitions would be detrimental to the whole of European football."

 

The issue was discussed at last week's Premier League shareholders' meeting, where the FA chief executive, Brian Barwick, suggested the proposal was in the best interests of many clubs. There was opposition however, with Kenyon and the Manchester United chief executive, David Gill, maintaining that the clubs had the power to prevent the changes.

 

Uefa insiders insist the PFSC does not have the power to overturn the proposal, and that it will be approved before being rubber-stamped at Uefa's executive committee meeting next month. The evidence from recent seasons, however, suggests there would be little change in the English entrants. Since the European Cup brought in clubs other than the champions in 1992, only Everton, in 1995, have disturbed the Cup-winning cartel of Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

 

It is thought that if the Cup winners have already qualified for the Champions League via their league position, the fourth place would revert to the club that came fourth in the league. Among the losing clubs that might have been a game away from a place at Europe's elite table were Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Aston Villa, Southampton, Millwall and West Ham.

 

The prospects of Champions League wealth being spread ought to excite chairmen. A good run is worth over £20m and finalists earn close to £30m.

 

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Sounds like a great idea for the neutrals, but would such an idea jeapardise our CL place ?

Cobs

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Sounds like a great idea for the neutrals, but would such an idea jeapardise our CL place ?

it's been what, 13 years since a team outside of LFC, Arsenal, Chelsea or the Mancs won it ?

 

not sure it'd make a huge difference tbh

Magic8Ball

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So basically it'll still just be the top 4 in the League nearly every season anyway

 

Under Platini's proposal the three leading nations will retain four entrants, with three based on league position and the fourth coming from the FA Cup

 

I'm not sure its one of the top 4 who always win the FA Cup

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So if we get another Millwall / S**m final and the **** have finished in the top 2 or 3 ??????

 

:lol::lol:

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Don't think it will happen. Presumably the premier league will have to vote for it. Also, the FA Cup is quite prestigious, but in the rest of europe, the cup competitions aren't such a big deal.

 

It's basically platini trying to weasel his way out of delivering what he promised to get elected as he knew all along he would never be able to deliver it.

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Terrible terrible idea. The Champs League has been devalued enough as it is without the bloody Cup Winners getting in also. Feckin Wimbeldon in the CL??

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Interesting idea - I'd be in favour of it - would give the Chamions League a bit of credibility in having the winner of a cup competition instead of a 4th place lge finisher.

 

While UEFA are fiddling with their cups again they can stop all of the 3rd place teams from the CL group stages going into the UEFA Cup though - rubbish idea and devalued the comp.

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I know we wouldn't have number 5 but I still think the CL should be for Champions only like it used to be. Sadly money and the power of the top clubs will make sure that never hapens.

 

Too often teams (including us) start the season aiming for top 4 instead of winning the title, as coming 4th is deemed successful these days, which it shouldn't be.

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i think its a good idea. the net effect will mean that practically nothing will change though.

 

It will create the impression that the champions league places from England are less of a closed shop without in practice making it so.

 

If it is Europe wide, it will actually have an impact in those countries where the cup is won by clubs outside the usual suspects.

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How about a european competition for domestic cup winners. Now there's a novel idea.

 

Brilliant! It would be a European Cup for winners of cups.

 

We could call it the "Cup for European Winners of Cups".

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What happens then if we have something like the other year then

 

say the premiership finishes

 

1. Chelsea

2. Arsenal

3. Man Urinal

4. Liverpool

 

Liverpool win the Champions League and Spurs win the FA Cup, Who gets in? Who misses out?

 

UEFA better make sure they have all bases covered before they put this into action!

Cobs

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What happens then if we have something like the other year then

 

say the premiership finishes

 

1. Chelsea

2. Arsenal

3. Man Urinal

4. Liverpool

 

Liverpool win the Champions League and Spurs win the FA Cup, Who gets in? Who misses out?

Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs are in

 

 

mancs miss out

Magic8Ball

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Champions League really should only be for Winners of the League imo....rest should go into the Uefa Cup.

I've always advocated that the winners of the UEFA Cup should be in the next years CL ie there should be an extra place for the UEFA winners

Zoob

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This idea kind of makes sense but as has been pointed out, would make very little difference in England most of the time.

Essentially though, I just can't like anything Platini does or suggests. c***.

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