Chewie

I read that as intern, and would be ok with that

On its own, a backs to the wall euro away that could have been better and could have been worse... But having been told all season that the managers preference is for high quality football such as playing PSG compared to teams parking the bus.... to then go out with zero ambition other than to compress space and park the bus... There's nowhere to go after that

MacAllister

Nothing much has happened bar a deflected goal. Half a job done

Agreed. We need legs and solidity and maybe a full force Salah with 20 minutes of all out effort. He needs to roll the dice. He prob knows he's gone. He doesn't need to manage Mo to stay. On the basis of Saturday I wouldn't have started him.

Just checking in. He's still here then. As you were.

Some season for city.. Easy draw in every round till the final

He was and will always be a title winning manager for Liverpool. He contributed to that and should always have the credit for it. He took over a team that hadn't won the league for 4 years and they won it. He had the smarts to orchestrate that, and made some player and technical decisions that made us click. However, he also had Souness x 2 in the first year of Joe Fagan. When Joe took over Souness grabbed that team by the scruff of the neck to show that we could win post Paisley. In Virgil and Mo last year Slot had 2 leaders playing for their futures, but also two fiercely proud and competitive players determined to show they could win post Jurgen. To the credit of all 3 of them, they found an alchemy that made it work. But those two leaders legs have fallen off, the post klopp zeal to win without him has burned off, the tragedy of Diogo has hit massively, and what we've found is that Arne is almost certainly not the leader to carry us forward. Fair enough. But shake hands and move on. And do it quickly.

How on earth do you swap shirts when coming off as a sub? The half time swaps are bad enough but at best at least it's logistically understandable

Salah has been awful today but that's the right call to not humiliate a legend within the game.

It's the lack of hope that sustains you

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cd7j8wn59pno Really glad we got the massive money for this lad rather than keeping him to not rest and rotate the 3 midfielders we've been flogging to death all season. What a waste it would have been to have him and Harvey hanging around being told they weren't good enough.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwyd0pzmv0jo Comparison of ticket prices for the euros in 2028 and this world cup. Have a feeling, and in no small part a hope, that this World Cup is gonna stink the place out.. Which I'm not happy about as, for example, I'd love it to be amazing for Scottish fans who haven't been for years. But a combination of too many teams (so lots of mediocre games and little jeapordy for the first 2.5 weeks), stifling heat, games split into quarters (for ads.. Sorry, drinks breaks), no real generational superstars at their peak or generational team, fans from blacklisted countries denied access, an entire nation told not to come for their own safety.... It's lining up to be soulless

Closed my eyes and listened to that and for a moment it seemed like he was still the manager.

When the dust settles on all this it does leave a lot of questions / points of discussion... - is this the first admission that they made the wrong call this time last year in preparation for this year? - does this indicate the same group of people are going to be the same group to correct their collective mistakes (inc. Arne?) - are they really allowing Mo to essentially be in the same situation as last year or is there an understanding he won't sign for certain teams? You'd have to think having a contract gave them some leverage? - whilst a certain amount of this is about money, Mo costs them 20m per year. If he can literally sign for anyone, including a rival, he's worth that as our 4th or 5th attacker after making the signings we need, and he can leave for free next summer - is this about a clean slate for a new appointment? Have discussions been had with a new manager who said 'you sort the Mo question before I get there'. The new guy doesn't have to worry about being the guy to get rid of Mo? - why has the club not treated this like Jordan Henderson, allowing him to leave for a nominal fee. 10m for instance would pay for half the cost of re-signing Mo last summer? - who has driven this? Mo or the club? If Mo, does he believe he's not wanted or that his chances of success are better elsewhere given the downward trajectory of the club? Is this a warning from Mo we should be heeding? - what is the alchemy that allows some players to leave - even for nothing - heralded as a wonderful servant, and others who leave on a free as having cheated the club? The context, the player, and our desire to have them stay are different, but the bare facts are that a player announcing he's leaving at the end of the season for nothing into a camera that he and his publicity team have manufactured to communicate his love for the club is something we saw before - last year - and that didn't land well at all.

He's proper gone and done a trent, leaving on a free, speaking to a script being displayed just above the camera, talking about loving the club and fans... Just everyone wait and see when he signs for the Saudi league and gives his first presser in Arabic as if he hasn't been taking lessons for quite some time now...

Horrible for him at a time when you can well imagine life doesn't feel that great. From a spurs perspective this either blocks them in (hard to sack a man who's father has just died), or offers both parties a way out (he steps away to be with the people that matter and not that basket case of a club, and they get the opportunity without sacking him to replacing him).

Ah FFS Jurgen.. You're telling us there's a chance.. Real talk is nonsense but I may coach again - Klopp - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c8ejkj69jzro

The whole thing is a fascinating case study on leadership, organisations and cultures. Jurgen was quite simply a leader, and they've tried to replace the leader in the aggregate, with the Edwards/Hughes/ward/slot structure. What's clear though is that for the aggregate to work, and you do need the support structures, you need to have the leader. They made him the coach but they never said who the leader was to be, and it's not implied either as no-one has emerged as the totem pole around which everything else gets built. In English football culture its the manager. In Spanish football it's usually the President.. Notwithstanding the aura of Simeone. In Munich it's the board of former bayern players. That's why in those clubs they get to swap in and out their managers/coaches, but in England it's the manager. Now if they wanted to replicate the la liga or bayern model etc, fine.. But everyone needs to know who the leader is. The players, the fans, the staff. We're back in the time of Rodgers, when everyone had a say but no one was actually in charge. In our club I believe it should be the manager but that's not the same as saying it must be the manager. It needs to be someone though who is driving the whole organisation to greater heights, holding everyone to account to the highest standards and demanding absolute excellence. I have no idea who's doing that at our club. Either appoint the leader and put everything into supporting him (most likely a him) or someone step up, take the lead, and appoint whoever it takes to produce success. I've no idea if those who currently comprise the aggregate are the best or worst of all worlds. The worst being those who think they can lead by being the smartest committee, but who never wanted to lead, but whose egos won't accept they need the leader to make all their smarts count for something. I reckon slot is a decent, and maybe even highly capable, 'manager', but he's not a leader, and was never actually appointed to be the leader. They were all going to work together to replicate Jurgen, but that only works when you're winning and everyone's feeling good and smug. But when the winning stops it's clear no one is actually truly in charge and leading the charge. That's the one area I feel sorry for slot. He's not truly in charge, but they're all quite happy to hide and let him bear the brunt of the blame.

When Jurgen was here we built our club on rock n roll Not as much of a timeless conundrum as whether you would have Gerrard or lampard

Everton and Brentford are looking at us and Chelsea and thinking 'game on' for that 5th place. Beeb form table has us at 1.4pts per game over the last 10. The Ev are 1.7. Over 7 games that doesn't put them ahead of us, but the clincher is the derby. 3 pts behind us, still to play us, with 7 games to go. They'll be right up for that

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You can hear them laugh in feyenoord Arne slot, is a total bore .... ah I'm sure if I could be bothered there's a song to finish there but he's taken that fight away 'n all...

Ibou is such an enigma. He's either unplayable or unplayable

Yup.. Bulked when he said that