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the sort of fans that booed a manager, but we did.

the sort of fans to demand members of the board resign, but we did.

 

I'm mostly happy with our direction right now, and I reckon most people think we're consolidating on our European Cup win - and think that's a good thing. But when did we (as supporters) start to presume so much about the running of a football club? It always struck me as non-Liverpool to call for board-level resignations but I see the 'sack RP' comments all the time now (both real and tongue-in-cheek).

 

Do we know so much more now or are we guessing? This is not a question designed to criticise the dissenters, more an inquiry as to how fan-involvement has moved on.

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Tis the power of t'internet and tv...

 

Footie is saturated media coverage, and the internet allows everyone to think a) they are informed, and b) have an opinion

 

So the combo of not being top of the pile, shoddy journos and rumours, plus a vehicle to express an opinion and spread the word means we are in this position

 

Also think that the "I want it now, yes ME" culture has decreased patience in som many areas of life. This being just another...

 

In my opinion ;¬)

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We aren't the sort of fans to boo a manager, a few gobarses that call themselves Liverpool fans are- sadly these get more attention than the ones that get behind the manager because it's more dramatic.

 

I remember being in the Kop after the Newcastle game at the end of Houllier's last season, whilst the team was doing the lap of honour most of the ground was singing "Allez, Allez, Gerard Houllier".

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People started playing Championship Manager and then bladdering on about how they'd run the club, mistakenly thinking that their experience of a computer game is somehow even a shadow of the real-life running of a football club.

 

Radio phone-ins and web forums have allowed dissenting voices become much more audible and spur on those who mightn't necessarily be as dissatisfied, and seem to have fostered an idea that a club owes it's fans something, extending to as far as an explanation of private business matters.

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It's borne out of the frustration you feel when we're as far away from ever of getting to (and this is important ...) where we once WERE. .

 

We were higher up than any football club had ever been or will ever be in this country. When it started to go wrong, in or around the resignation of King Kenny in the early nineties I think we fell into shock, quite frankly.

 

Souness to some extent had to deal with the frustrations of fans so close to the success we had. Allied to some dreadful decisions that he made on and, famously, off the pitch, it meant that the fans immediately turned against him. The "seeds" of what your alluding to here, mass-opinion among fans definitely started to grow around this time.

 

Roy Evans was given more latitude because he was "one of us", and he played a style which we wanted, but on reflection, he failed too. By now though, because it was "Nice Roy" in charge the fans didn't openly revolt. Instead there was almost an acceptance that ManU had become so strong they couldn't be caught with Roy in charge. A kind of torpor among the fans had set in.

 

In the first half of Ged's reign hope returned without real belief. In the second half of his tenure, he made some poor decisions, but didn't have the guts to accept he was wrong. For Liverpool fans this loss of grip on reality meant that frustration, real frustration bordering on anger started to rise again.

 

Rafa made a poor start, but his dignity was never in doubt. On the whole, the core support stayed silent (ish) but I'm sure were a little worried under the surface - especially with Chelsea sailing off into the wide blue yonder on a boat made of Gold (that floats, obviously). I was guilty (for the first time ever, publicly) of stating my frustration with what I thought was his inability to grasp the way teams played in the Premiership. It's well documented that I was wrong, and I withdrew my comments WELL before we won old big ears. What I learned in that time was that to not give a manager time to build is THE single worst thing a supporter can do.

 

As for the board? - I'd say we're in "Roy Evans" territory here. They are "one of us - Moores overtly so", but some fans are getting quietly frustrated by the progress we are (not) making in some areas. The fact is that Parry appointed Rafa and we all know what happened - we can't take that away from him, and fair play.

 

But there ARE answers we need to big big questions about our future, and the worry is (because we don't KNOW for sure, none of us do) that Rafa is frustrated by the lack of answers as well. And if we don't have Benitez, we don't have anything.

 

None of it is true of course, but as humans we worry. It's the way it is.

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the sort of fans that booed a manager, but we did.

the sort of fans to demand members of the board resign, but we did.

 

I'm mostly happy with our direction right now, and I reckon most people think we're consolidating on our European Cup win - and think that's a good thing. But when did we (as supporters) start to presume so much about the running of a football club? It always struck me as non-Liverpool to call for board-level resignations but I see the 'sack RP' comments all the time now (both real and tongue-in-cheek).

 

Do we know so much more now or are we guessing? This is not a question designed to criticise the dissenters, more an inquiry as to how fan-involvement has moved on.

 

Liverpool fans probably didn't feel the need to boo the manager or demand the removal of the board for near enough 40 years. Once we declined (early 90s), the game had moved into the arena where it was more demanding of success to be delivered within 12 months or patience ended. That said, I think Liverpool fans sort of accepted that we had had a bloody good run and it was inevitable that there'd be some fallow years.

 

And the emergence of the internet, 24 hour rolling sports coverage and these big phone-ins means that everyone's opinion gets heard. And the media want to encourage the most extreme opinions as they think that's what constitutes news. Vicious circle innit.

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and it frustrates me that people seem to think they know what is happening behiond the scenes, and that no news means no action

Agree totally. I also struggle to not get angry about people who post stuff like "I'm really worried we'll miss out on Walcott", if anybody really worries about that then :wacko: .

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We aren't the sort of fans to boo a manager, a few gobarses that call themselves Liverpool fans are- sadly these get more attention than the ones that get behind the manager because it's more dramatic.

 

I remember being in the Kop after the Newcastle game at the end of Houllier's last season, whilst the team was doing the lap of honour most of the ground was singing "Allez, Allez, Gerard Houllier".

 

it's cos it's what they wanted him to do

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the sort of fans that booed a manager, but we did.

the sort of fans to demand members of the board resign, but we did.

 

I'm mostly happy with our direction right now, and I reckon most people think we're consolidating on our European Cup win - and think that's a good thing. But when did we (as supporters) start to presume so much about the running of a football club? It always struck me as non-Liverpool to call for board-level resignations but I see the 'sack RP' comments all the time now (both real and tongue-in-cheek).

 

Do we know so much more now or are we guessing? This is not a question designed to criticise the dissenters, more an inquiry as to how fan-involvement has moved on.

 

IMHO, we are fans/supporters of LFC. Our main obligation is to support the team, on and off the pitch. We must remmember that players come and go, managers come and go, but fans or real fans are always behind the club and this passion for our club is passed from us to generations and generations.

 

As fans i percieve us as being the voice of LFC and as such i harshly condemn fickle critiscm, but likewise i condemn those sets of fans who refuse to stick their heads out of the sand, in the sense that i hate fickle fans, but i also hate dumb blinded fans.

 

To give some concrete examples, we are still in the first days of January so any critiscm at this point is uncalled for and fickle. Like most of you i too am impatient, but as far still not concerned, but i will not find any difficulty whatsoever, with those fans who criticise Parry and co. if we do not manage to land a central defender, by the end of january as i have no problem with those fans who criticised Gh in his last year of his reign.

 

Fickle fans are stupid, extreme die-hard red fans are likewise stupid, realistic fans who opine to constructively criticise and appluad when due, in the best intersets of LFC are those sets of fans which i strive to part of.

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Aye it was much better in the old days

 

When black players used to get racially abused, I remember barnes coming to anfield when he played for Watford and getting bannanas thrown at him

 

When we rioted and got ourselves banned from Europe

 

Some romantic notion of what Liverpool fans used to be, its all boll'ocks of course. We just did not have web forums etc then. People just used to moan in the alehouse instead

 

We never used call for managers to resign or board members to do the same cos for 20 years we where more or less constantly winning either leagues, FA or European cups thats why they didnt moan as much in them days

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Aye it was much better in the old days

 

When black players used to get racially abused, I remember barnes coming to anfield when he played for Watford and getting bannanas thrown at him

 

When we rioted and got ourselves banned from Europe

 

Some romantic notion of what Liverpool fans used to be, its all boll'ocks of course. We just did not have web forums etc then. People just used to moan in the alehouse instead

 

We never used call for managers to resign or board members to do the same cos for 20 years we where more or less constantly winning either leagues, FA or European cups thats why they didnt moan as much in them days

 

H_R, it's simpler than that. We never used to call for Managers to resign becuase since most of us were young, young children the Managers in charge of our club (and my memory means Shankly, Bob, Joe, Kenny....) all knew, irrevocably WHAT they were doing. Unfortunately, Souness was (I'll be kind here) unsure or unable to impose what he wanted and that was when real public opinion began to be voiced openly.

 

I'm not trying to say it was just "better in the old days" (maybe you weren't referring to me anyway .. ;) ), what I was trying to determine is when (and why) it started, and the perception that it's recent is wrong in my opinion.

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well perhaps I could offer my opinion, having followed Liverpool at matches for the last 28 years

 

I have never booed or criticised a player at a match

 

I have given 100% support to all our managers, but none more so than GH

 

But I support Liverpool, not Moores and Parry FC, and the failings and missed opportunities of this administration are there for all but anidiot to see - what I find most laughable is that anyone could look back on GH's tenure and criticise it but think all is OK with these two

 

On the other hand, if Moores and Parry had any involvement on the pitch, say a cameo appearance in goal from Parry or Moores leading the team out, then I would give them the same support I give the rest of the team

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