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Exactly - what gives us such reason to be positive is the incredible improvement he's got out of players this year. Maybe I should believe that our youngsters will make that leap given what's happened to Sterling, Flanagan and Henderson.

 

 

 

I think that's where I am. I didn't see any of those players having the impact this season that they've had.

 

Hopefully the same can be said of another three (that we already have on our books) next season.

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I dont think we need as many as 7 new signings. I think we need maybe 4 to go straight into the first team. A top quality midfielder, someone who can pass and tackle well, and someone who when needed, can defend well in front of the back 4. We need 2 new fullbacks, one for each side. and we need another attacker. I think Lallana might be ideal, simply because he can pay anywhere along the front and is very 2 footed. I think we might see other players come back from loan and maybe feature more, Borini as a 3rd striker, Ilori to press for a starting place in the back 4, and Suso as well. Theres also players like Ibe, McLoughlin, Smith and Rossiter who might push for regular squad places.

 

As for going out, Alberto and Aspas simply havent worked, Kolo has no future here, and of all the first teamers the only one id happily see leave is Johnson

 

Wouldnt a top midfielder like that cost in excess of 20m? Plus if we add someone like Lallana, that doesn't leave much left for the 2 fullbacks if our budget is really 60m.

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Wouldnt a top midfielder like that cost in excess of 20m? Plus if we add someone like Lallana, that doesn't leave much left for the 2 fullbacks if our budget is really 60m.

 

 

Depends who we sell (and how much we get in), doesn't it?

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The looming figure of Ayre hangs heavy over every talk of transfer targets...we can only pray that our performances and Brendan's ability do the talking, rather than the Walking Sidecar.

 

 

And we're now in the CL. That's like having a high class escort standing by the negotiating table. Players are thinking " this guy's a complete prick but he's not going to be there when i'm having some of that ! "

 

Agree with the " more difficult season " counter argument but teams will be wiser...or should be. Young players often have a brilliant few months or season before the opposition are wiser second time round - i think you can extrapolate that to a young squad ( in terms of development ) but we seem up to the challenge.

 

I think i'd keep Lucas in the squad. He's well liked, can do a job defensively in some games and owes us nothing. Seems a bit rude that he's had two serious injuries and we now ask him to play as a more conventional midfielder after playing in the holding role for years.

 

Defence is the one area that needs work ( technically ) and has done ever since Brendan arrived.

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It's the improvement that he's got from those players that gives me some confidence he can get some more from one or two of the others. It's still a big ask and I'd like real quality added.

 

I'm torn on the defence thing, when I was looking at some of the numbers some stuff stood out, we conceded 23 goals in the first half of the season and dropped 21 points, each goal costing us 0.9 points. In the second half of the season we conceded 27 goals and dropped 9 points each goal conceded cost us .33 of a point.

 

I'm not sure what this indicates if anything interesting at all and we can improve on any of the defenders individually. We can also defend better as a team but from the second half of the season I'm not sure just how much that translates to points. I do think we ran pretty well in the second half of the season and were maybe lucky to get the 48 points we did, this may gloss over just how much room for improvement there is just looking at results. I do think though there'll be at least two current players in the starting back 4 with improving our options up the pitch also improving the protection we can offer them.

 

Such a strange analogy Earl.

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I dont think we need as many as 7 new signings. I think we need maybe 4 to go straight into the first team. A top quality midfielder, someone who can pass and tackle well, and someone who when needed, can defend well in front of the back 4. We need 2 new fullbacks, one for each side. and we need another attacker. I think Lallana might be ideal, simply because he can pay anywhere along the front and is very 2 footed. I think we might see other players come back from loan and maybe feature more, Borini as a 3rd striker, Ilori to press for a starting place in the back 4, and Suso as well. Theres also players like Ibe, McLoughlin, Smith and Rossiter who might push for regular squad places.

 

As for going out, Alberto and Aspas simply havent worked, Kolo has no future here, and of all the first teamers the only one id happily see leave is Johnson

 

Javi Martinez is the midfielder you're looking for. Gettable as well.

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It's the improvement that he's got from those players that gives me some confidence he can get some more from one or two of the others. It's still a big ask and I'd like real quality added.

 

I'm torn on the defence thing, when I was looking at some of the numbers some stuff stood out, we conceded 23 goals in the first half of the season and dropped 21 points, each goal costing us 0.9 points. In the second half of the season we conceded 27 goals and dropped 9 points each goal conceded cost us .33 of a point.

 

I'm not sure what this indicates if anything interesting at all and we can improve on any of the defenders individually. We can also defend better as a team but from the second half of the season I'm not sure just how much that translates to points. I do think we ran pretty well in the second half of the season and were maybe lucky to get the 48 points we did, this may gloss over just how much room for improvement there is just looking at results. I do think though there'll be at least two current players in the starting back 4 with improving our options up the pitch also improving the protection we can offer them.

 

How many goals scored first half / second half of the season ?

 

Goals conceded in the first half seemed to cost us points ( Several seemed to be defensive errors at set pieces )

 

Second half we've conceded 3 at Palace, 2 at Norwich, 2 against City, 3 at Cardiff, 3 against Swansea, 2 against Fulham. That's more than 1/4 of our goals conceded in less than a 1/6 of our games and we dropped only 2 points.

It's why i disagree with Rodgers on when those goals have cost us points. The set piece issue, particularly earlier in the season, was far more damaging.

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How many goals scored first half / second half of the season ?

 

Goals conceded in the first half seemed to cost us points ( Several seemed to be defensive errors at set pieces )

 

Second half we've conceded 3 at Palace, 2 at Norwich, 2 against City, 3 at Cardiff, 3 against Swansea, 2 against Fulham. That's more than 1/4 of our goals conceded in less than a 1/6 of our games and we dropped only 2 points.

It's why i disagree with Rodgers on when those goals have cost us points. The set piece issue, particularly earlier in the season, was far more damaging.

 

57 in the second half 44 in the first, weirdly Suarez scored 19 in the first half only 12 in the second. I'm reluctant to read to much into what was a pretty exceptional second half of the season, the points goals scored and conceded all seem to be pretty extravagant even accounting the obvious correlation with scoring loads and getting loads of points.

 

I'm not sure I want to focus on a particular issue whether general defending or specifics around set pieces. Do you think that we improved our defending of set pieces in the second half of the season? If you do what contribution do you think that made to our success in the second half of the season if you disagree that our conceding goals was a big issue? Problem is we can't really have a big issue with anything we did in the second half of the season given we took 48 points from it.

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Such a strange analogy Earl.

 

Twas a joke. Fair enough if it wasn't funny.

 

57 in the second half 44 in the first, weirdly Suarez scored 19 in the first half only 12 in the second. I'm reluctant to read to much into what was a pretty exceptional second half of the season, the points goals scored and conceded all seem to be pretty extravagant even accounting the obvious correlation with scoring loads and getting loads of points.

 

I'm not sure I want to focus on a particular issue whether general defending or specifics around set pieces. Do you think that we improved our defending of set pieces in the second half of the season? If you do what contribution do you think that made to our success in the second half of the season if you disagree that our conceding goals was a big issue? Problem is we can't really have a big issue with anything we did in the second half of the season given we took 48 points from it.

 

 

 

First half seemed to be defensive set pieces and teams exposing weaknesses in defence. Also Cissokho was adjusting, Enrique out of form....

Second half seemed to be from leaving ourselves vulnerable to the counter. Set pieces improved both defensively and offensively. I mentioned to Rory the other day that i was looking at the defensive set pieces. We've certainly changed how we set up.

( i speak in terms of the goals / mistakes that you would look to eradicate. Obviously some goals are just brilliantly taken )

 

You could put a line through the City game because you have to expect that type of game against a side with several forwards in the match day squad who would start for most teams in the world.

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57 in the second half 44 in the first, weirdly Suarez scored 19 in the first half only 12 in the second. I'm reluctant to read to much into what was a pretty exceptional second half of the season, the points goals scored and conceded all seem to be pretty extravagant even accounting the obvious correlation with scoring loads and getting loads of points.

 

I'm not sure I want to focus on a particular issue whether general defending or specifics around set pieces. Do you think that we improved our defending of set pieces in the second half of the season? If you do what contribution do you think that made to our success in the second half of the season if you disagree that our conceding goals was a big issue? Problem is we can't really have a big issue with anything we did in the second half of the season given we took 48 points from it.

 

So first half of the season, Suarez missed five of our games and still scored 43% of our goals.

 

Second half, he played all of them and scored 21% of our total goals.

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So first half of the season, Suarez missed five of our games and still scored 43% of our goals.

 

Second half, he played all of them and scored 21% of our total goals.

 

Yeah the goals were much better distributed 25 scored by everyone else in the first half of the season including the 5 games he missed, 45 in the second half in which he played all of them. He's obviously a massive part of the goals the rest of the team scores as well but what it indicates to me is that we do better last season by attacking better in the first half of the season than we do worrying about the defence.

 

There's a case to be made that the defence provides clearer opportunities to improve but last seasons results clearly show our strength is going forward and we may need to play to our strengths in the transfer market. I think we see the majority of the money spent upfront again.

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Think the jury's still out on Sahko myself, and Ilori is an unknown quantity. God knows what we do about centre half but looks like we may have to spend a lot of money there again despite bringing in 3 centre backs last summer.

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Still think Wisdom, Suso and Toure could potentially do a job for us. We're competing on all four fronts and I think they could easily help us out particularly in the domestic cup competitions.

 

I think we need 3-4 players to come into our starting eleven.

 

 

 

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There's also times when we can play Henderson, Allen and Lucas ( as we saw last season ) if Gerrard needs a rest after or prior to a CL or League fixture. I think we need another midfielder but not necessarily a specialist holding / defensive mid. Priorities are fullback, centre back ( might be resolved with current personnel ) and a couple more options for attack.

 

Cissokho, Moses, Aspas and Johnson need to be replaced / improved on from those consistently in the match day squad. Add to that Skrtel or Agger. Maybe Wisdom can play right side in the league cup games for experience. I'd like to see us develop him in his more natural position quicker than we saw with Kelly, although injuries were a factor there.

 

Still hoping Alberto gets a chance to improve on decent form already.

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Think the jury's still out on Sahko myself, and Ilori is an unknown quantity. God knows what we do about centre half but looks like we may have to spend a lot of money there again despite bringing in 3 centre backs last summer.

 

This where BR is really going to earn his corn - tightening up the defence, whilst maintaining the attacking side of our game. Centre-half is the only area of the team that really concerns me. Unless Skrtel and Sakko can get their habit of diving in out of their system, I can't see them as our CB partnership next season. We spent nearly £20m on Sakho and Ilori last summer, so beyond Caulker I can't see us spending any more in this part of the team.

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This where BR is really going to earn his corn - tightening up the defence, whilst maintaining the attacking side of our game. Centre-half is the only area of the team that really concerns me. Unless Skrtel and Sakko can get their habit of diving in out of their system, I can't see them as our CB partnership next season. We spent nearly £20m on Sakho and Ilori last summer, so beyond Caulker I can't see us spending any more in this part of the team.

 

Be good if Agger could regain half a yard of pace because on his game he is exactly what we want

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Yeah the goals were much better distributed 25 scored by everyone else in the first half of the season including the 5 games he missed, 45 in the second half in which he played all of them. He's obviously a massive part of the goals the rest of the team scores as well but what it indicates to me is that we do better last season by attacking better in the first half of the season than we do worrying about the defence.

 

There's a case to be made that the defence provides clearer opportunities to improve but last seasons results clearly show our strength is going forward and we may need to play to our strengths in the transfer market. I think we see the majority of the money spent upfront again.

 

I agree, mainly cos I think that's where the manager´s head is at.

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Yeah the goals were much better distributed 25 scored by everyone else in the first half of the season including the 5 games he missed, 45 in the second half in which he played all of them. He's obviously a massive part of the goals the rest of the team scores as well but what it indicates to me is that we do better last season by attacking better in the first half of the season than we do worrying about the defence.

 

There's a case to be made that the defence provides clearer opportunities to improve but last seasons results clearly show our strength is going forward and we may need to play to our strengths in the transfer market. I think we see the majority of the money spent upfront again.

 

Spot on. I think these will be Brendan's instincts.

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The second half of the season at least gives us some evidence that we can accumulate more points despite conceding more goals. Anywhere you can improve you should but it may be an either or when it comes to prioritising what we do this window and it may be that we don't prioritise defence despite it being clearly weaker that our attack.

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