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Swan Red

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  1. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    I sent you a message before I saw this post, for the record I apologise for my previous post in this thread I should not have used the conversation we were having to post something I've toyed with for quite some while. On the EU v AZ thing that's kind of my point they are all s***.
  2. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    You're not trying to discuss anything with me My friend visited in December after hearing that I had been on the phone to the samaritans for 4 hours and that I had letters explaining my end of life decisions to a small group of close friends saved on my desktop, my suicidal ideation is as acute as it has ever been and there is no indication of when any of this changes for me, in part because the Irish govt like many other governments have dealt with this terribly, meanwhile I put up with d****eads on internet forums putting words in my mouth.
  3. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    I'm not concluding contract details based on distribution numbers I am commenting on numbers promised that have been widely reported there's a difference. I also did not pop off at you in my first response I asked whether it applied to your "joke" in defending big pharma because the point was this is an internet forum that relies on people discussing stuff speculatively. Where have I claimed that significant numbers on here are fangirling for Big Pharma or did you just make that up. I also would never accuse men of fangirling cos that's a s*** term in and of itself
  4. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    And in case I appear to be over tetchy I live alone, I haven't seen anyone I know this year, we're subjected to a travel limit of 5k with all of my friends living 50k away at least, I haven't seen a family member since August 2019 and have spent possibly 12 hours in the company of friends in the last 12 months, 2 of them being a friend who drove up to see me the week before Christmas because he was seriously worried about me. So f*** off with accusations that I'm lying.
  5. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    Your words not mine The numbers promised were widely reported and I'm commenting on them, should I refrain unless I actually see the contract? There is a difference though between making numbers up and commenting on numbers that have been widely reported, I can link to every number I've referenced so even if those numbers are wrong I'm not making them up you absolute f***ing d****ead.
  6. This made me smile though I do wonder whether anyone proposing such has drank in a rural Irish pub anytime recently. Irish pubs could become work hubs in post-pandemic plan
  7. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    Was that also true when you were defending Big Pharma There are plenty of clues by the way vaccination numbers and distribution numbers have been widely publicised and what do you think has been happening on this forum for the last 20 years cos a group of people talking about stuff that's in the public domain and speculating without access to the information that isn't is kinda what posting on internet message boards is
  8. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    Yes I think this is correct though it seems many were in bulk and not actually bottled for distribution. I agree that the finger wagging helps no one and threats to block distribution to poorer countries in particular is terrible.
  9. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    Also where they a part of the vaccines intended for Australia or was that a different batch?
  10. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    I don't think they are being blamed for not meeting demand they are being criticised for how the impact of that failure is being disproportionately distributed. Which makes the decision to prevent distribution worse but hardly exonerates AZ's distribution priorities. A cursory google search denies the EU prevented distribution and given I'm sceptical of all parties in this I wouldn't want to take a particular position on this but were they only confirmed as intended for the EU and COVAX countries after they were discovered and was the issue was waiting for the EMA to licence the plant in the Netherlands where they were produced?
  11. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    Where were those doses headed, wasn't the point that they were headed out of the EU at a time when AZ was significantly underdelivering on its contractual obligations to the EU. In any case the EU preventing distribution of these vaccines was s*** and AZ under delivering on its contractual obligations to the EU is s***. And capitalist modes of distribution in a pandemic is s***.
  12. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    And the criticism AZ is receiving is related to them not actually delivering on their contracts so I fail to see how this is treating them like s***. You're effectively arguing that the EU is responsible for not including harsher penalties or not paying more because that's what they signed up for while AZ is beyond reproach for not delivering vaccines despite that being what they signed up for.
  13. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    Sure but their production issues have impacted different regions disproportionately. If this is because of how onerous the terms are these are terms they signed up to. Agree with almost all of this but the last line is pretty reductive.
  14. Swan Red

    Coronavirus

    The point is they aren't honouring their contract to the EU, they agreed to deliver 100m doses in Q1 and informed the EU they would be revising this down to 40m in Jan and as of week 10 of a 13 week quarter had delivered 28% of that revised figure. This is despite accepting a 396m down payment in August. If they were doing this at cost why the variable pricing?
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