Torres and surgery

[DJS]

I recall a few weeks back, there was talk of Torres and the prospect of whether he would have/need surgery on his injury, and the notion that such surgery would likely solve the problem once and for all. I dunno how accurate these reports were, but assuming some kind of validity to them, would now not be an opportunity to get this sorted completely?

 

I remember hearing that if he had the surgery, he'd be out for 3 weeks and then should return 'fully fit' with the problem fixed.

 

I appreciate that there's never any guarantees, but assuming that the above is correct, i'd be inclined to get him under the knife now, with the intention of not having to face this problem again later in the season.

 

There's been talk of the 'club v country' row as well, with Spain obviously wanting him fine for the World Cup.

 

Fact is, since the decision was apparently taken to not send him for an op, with the theory being that he doesnt actually need it, he's not been sharp or anywhere near his best (obviously through no fault of his own).

 

I said back around the time of the Lyon away game, that he should've had the surgery then - as there was an international break after the following game against Birmingham (which he didnt play anyway), so he would've only missed City at home and Debrecen away. As it was, he didnt have the operation then.

 

But now, with the weather being what it is, the Spurs game obviously off, the Reading game possibly going the same way and with relatively 'easier' games at Stoke and Wolves to come, i think the time would be ideal now, for him to get this sorted.

 

February's a big month for us, tough games and plenty of them too, with the Europa League starting then. We cant afford to have him crocked or relatively ineffective during that period.

 

If he goes for the op now, and is out for 3 weeks, he'll be back by the end of the month (Bolton at home on 30th January) or at the very worst, for the next game after that - Everton on Feb 6th.

 

Looking at the fixture list for January:

 

13th - Reading (h)

16th - Stoke (a)

26th - Wolves (a)

30th - Bolton (h)

 

This is the ideal time to get this done, with minimal damage to our results.

[Maldini]

Was it not 6 weeks (at least) he'd be out? Don't think it's as much of an issue as it was, they seem to have managed it well and let him recover. He said the other day he's approaching full fitness.

[DJS]

Pretty sure i'd heard three weeks. My concern is that them 'managing' it has resulted (and may continue to result) in a far less effective Torres than normal, and our margins for error are pretty tiny as it is. We need him back to something like his best ASAP and we need him to remain there for the rest of the season.

[Spion kop]

I feel guilty for ruining his world cup though.

[Jarg Armani]

I feel guilty for ruining his world cup though.

 

You're an absolute weapon though.

[Spion kop]

You're an absolute weapon though.

Sorry Mum.

[New York Red]

Nobody in the league gets the cr*p kicked out of him more than Nando. It sucks.

[CarraLegend]

Nobody in the league gets the cr*p kicked out of him more than Nando. It sucks.

 

Thats not so bad, it's a compliment. The annoying bit is nothing is done, Martin Atkinson in particular just lets people try and break his legs and elbow him in the face.

 

He gets no protection at all yet that cheating prick Drogba gets loads.

[Gerrardrules]

 

He gets no protection at all yet that cheating prick Drogba gets loads.

 

He will never get hurt because he's down on the ground before they even think about kicking him.

[Walrus]

Torres said that he has to put in an extra 5 hours of work every day due to his injury. This might have to continue until the end of the season.

 

He's a real warrior, Fernando! (or it could of course be that this is his way of getting away from all the extra work the nipper causes at home )

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

I recall a few weeks back, there was talk of Torres and the prospect of whether he would have/need surgery on his injury, and the notion that such surgery would likely solve the problem once and for all. I dunno how accurate these reports were, but assuming some kind of validity to them, would now not be an opportunity to get this sorted completely?

 

I remember hearing that if he had the surgery, he'd be out for 3 weeks and then should return 'fully fit' with the problem fixed.

 

I appreciate that there's never any guarantees, but assuming that the above is correct, i'd be inclined to get him under the knife now, with the intention of not having to face this problem again later in the season.

 

 

This is the ideal time to get this done, with minimal damage to our results.

 

 

I'm sure Fernando Torres appreciates your desire to have him subjected to an operation that he may not even need coupled with the risks of the procedure not working. It could even make the injury worse or end up him having to have his leg amputated. And that's not being sensationalist either. I was at a clinical meeting last week where a vascular surgeon presented a case of woman he'd performed a 'routine' operation on seven weeks ago. It really was the most simple procedure you could imagine - laser ablation of varicose veins - yet the woman contracted the flesh-eating bug necrotising fasciitis. Even the hard-bitten surgeons at the meeting winced as he showed pictures of what this bug had done to her and the flesh he'd had to cut away. In the event, she didn't lose the leg but it may have been better if she had as it was literally half of what it had been from groin to knee and will take a massive amount of physical and psychological help to get her to come to terms with what has happened. This operation by the way was performed in one of the NW's better private hospitals with good facilities and no previous cases of necrotising fasciitis and very little MRSA so its really a case of if it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. I appreciate it is a tiny risk but these things can and do happen and it's as well to be aware of all the potential eventualities beforehand, don't you agree? Operations really are the last course of action that should ever be considered and only performed when there are no other options available. Remember poor Denise Hendry?

 

 

[Falconhoof]

What was the hospital ? Spire by any chance ?

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

My lips are sealed but it won't matter as according to the Mail on Sunday, we're going to lose Fernando anyway.

 

Selling Fernando Torres looks increasingly like Liverpool's only option if they wish to redress their financial worries and ensure they meet Michel Platini's criteria for qualifying for the Champions League.

 

Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea will fall foul of the UEFA president's new financial restrictions on entrants into European competition if they carry on making losses.

 

 

UEFA are currently finalising the regulations which will prevent clubs from making consecutive losses over three seasons.

 

 

Details should be revealed in the next few months. Despite the gestures of Roman Abramovich and Sheik Mansour in writing off the debts of Chelsea and Manchester City respectively, all three clubs will have to find huge cutbacks in the next three years if they wish to qualify for the Champions Lleague or Eeuropa in 2012.

 

Chelsea recorded losses of £44.4million last year, their sixth consecutive year of huge deficit, while Manchester City lost £92m during Sheik Mansour's first year in charge and next year may even beat Chelsea's record of £140m from 2005.

 

Liverpool lost £40.9m in 2008 and selling Torres would bring in a £40m fee.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.mailonsun...l#ixzz0cCbPjrgt

[anny road]

My lips are sealed but it won't matter as according to the Mail on Sunday, we're going to lose Fernando anyway.

 

Selling Fernando Torres looks increasingly like Liverpool's only option if they wish to redress their financial worries and ensure they meet Michel Platini's criteria for qualifying for the Champions League.

 

Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea will fall foul of the UEFA president's new financial restrictions on entrants into European competition if they carry on making losses.

 

 

UEFA are currently finalising the regulations which will prevent clubs from making consecutive losses over three seasons.

 

 

Details should be revealed in the next few months. Despite the gestures of Roman Abramovich and Sheik Mansour in writing off the debts of Chelsea and Manchester City respectively, all three clubs will have to find huge cutbacks in the next three years if they wish to qualify for the Champions Lleague or Eeuropa in 2012.

 

Chelsea recorded losses of £44.4million last year, their sixth consecutive year of huge deficit, while Manchester City lost £92m during Sheik Mansour's first year in charge and next year may even beat Chelsea's record of £140m from 2005.

 

Liverpool lost £40.9m in 2008 and selling Torres would bring in a £40m fee.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.mailonsun...l#ixzz0cCbPjrgt

 

 

brilliant journalism

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

brilliant journalism

 

I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st. There's a few stories on their website today that are just laughable.

[Rimbeux]

f***ing horrendous nonsense that, Sky have been peddling similar all week

[Earl Hafler]

I'm sure Fernando Torres appreciates your desire to have him subjected to an operation that he may not even need coupled with the risks of the procedure not working. It could even make the injury worse or end up him having to have his leg amputated. And that's not being sensationalist either

 

Then what would be sensationalist ?

[DJS]

I'm sure Fernando Torres appreciates your desire to have him subjected to an operation that he may not even need coupled with the risks of the procedure not working. It could even make the injury worse or end up him having to have his leg amputated. And that's not being sensationalist either. I was at a clinical meeting last week where a vascular surgeon presented a case of woman he'd performed a 'routine' operation on seven weeks ago. It really was the most simple procedure you could imagine - laser ablation of varicose veins - yet the woman contracted the flesh-eating bug necrotising fasciitis. Even the hard-bitten surgeons at the meeting winced as he showed pictures of what this bug had done to her and the flesh he'd had to cut away. In the event, she didn't lose the leg but it may have been better if she had as it was literally half of what it had been from groin to knee and will take a massive amount of physical and psychological help to get her to come to terms with what has happened. This operation by the way was performed in one of the NW's better private hospitals with good facilities and no previous cases of necrotising fasciitis and very little MRSA so its really a case of if it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. I appreciate it is a tiny risk but these things can and do happen and it's as well to be aware of all the potential eventualities beforehand, don't you agree? Operations really are the last course of action that should ever be considered and only performed when there are no other options available. Remember poor Denise Hendry?

 

Anyone can present an extreme case and rare scenario of things going horribly wrong, to argue why something shouldnt happen.

 

In reality though, i suspect 90% or more of such operations go fine, without any problems.

 

By your logic, players would only ever have surgery if their career is in jeopardy without it.

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

Anyone can present an extreme case and rare scenario of things going horribly wrong, to argue why something shouldnt happen.

 

In reality though, i suspect 90% or more of such operations go fine, without any problems.

 

By your logic, players would only ever have surgery if their career is in jeopardy without it.

 

It'll be higher than that but what I'm saying particularly to those who have a strong desire to see him have the surgery is that with the best will, the best surgeon and the best, most advanced techniques in the world, things can and do go wrong and you should be prepared to accept the possibility that an operation could result in a player never playing again. Yes, it's rare but it is one of the possible outcomes.

[muleskinner]

We let them drive cars and everything, its outrageous.