Sunday Supplement

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Firstly, I know plenty of you dont watch it, but I do, you dont have to agree with everything said but I find it interesting to hear these people articulate their thoughts and debate current issues.

 

So, were this mornings contributors;

 

Paul Hayward - Observer

Martin Lipton - Mirror

Ian McGarry - S*n

 

The main debates were;

 

- Our start to the season

- defending

- Over reliance on Torres, what if he gets injured

- Rafa's transfer policy and especially the sale of Alonso

 

Lipton:

Not defending well, need to go next 7 or 8 games unbeaten or else 3 defeats in first 10 games is nearing the point of no return. Will beat most of the teams and last season they were teh best of the top 4 but have not grown/evolved. Should be in top 3 but no guarantee but cant see them winning the title.

 

Countered McGarry's point below that Rafa has called it right. When Torres was bought people were not sure if he would score enough goals and when Reina was bought, the manager kept saying he was the best keeper in Spain and now you look and see that he is a topclass keeper.

 

McGarry

Pool fans who love their club and see Rafa can do no wrong but once he gets full control of transfers - what does he do ? He sells his best midfielder. You can argue that Alonso wants to go, it was Rafa that fell out with him. If Rafa had of put his arm around him and said 'I want you to stay' and gave him an extra 20k then he would have stayed. He then buys Acquillani who is not an Alonso type player and you are not going to win the league.

 

Gerrard was distraught and told Benitez but he still went ahead and sold him. He has to be held accountable for that sale. Players need to trust manager so if you lose that, you lose the dressing room.

 

 

Liverpool are lucky that Torres wants to play for them because he could go to any club in the world and probably get twice as much money, but no, he wants to play for Liverpool and signs a new contract.

 

 

Hayward

Same as Lipton, tipped us for the league but now not so sure. Mascher is not here in his 'head', Alonso not here in body and we miss Hyypia. Rafa has mismanaged the front of the team with a lack of strikers and amazed to see Gerrard play deeper in the CL and doesnt understand such tactical meddling.

 

On the striking debate and dependance on Torres, they look back now at strikers they sold - especially Crouch.

[floyd]

The only thing constructive they said today was Lipton saying as a club we have an aura round the world, like real madrid.

 

The journalist this morning were full of their usual two faced comments. ie Hughes is picking the right arguments with the Tramp, but he shouldn't start them like Benitez, were he was wrong to start one with Tramp, but the Tramp can start one with anyone he thinks is a threat.

And anyone who pays attention to that Chelsea loving journo from the sh1thouse rag, wants shooting.

[Billy Dane]

Saw that. McGarry was talking complete shlte, staggered that Torres has signed an extension to stay at Liverpool, Rafa's fault for Alonso leaving or he would have stayed - isn't this a contradiction between Torres and Alonso? Knob

 

The other two were more understandable in their viewpoints, although wasn't Hayward one of the ones saying that Gerrard should be playing in centre midfield when Rafa pushed Gerrard up front?

 

Getting very tired of the cliche; "Liverpool, who have already lost as many games this season as they lost in the entire season last year,.....". Everyone on TV appears to have learned this phrase off by heart.

 

Apart from McGarry who claimed we had only lost one game last season. knob

[Dan]

McGarry is a sh*thouse. He knows absolutely f*ck all.

[CarraLegend]

Ian McGarry - S*n

 

So in future could you not write this c**** "thoughts"?

 

Thanks.

[kop205]

go to any club in the world and probably get twice as much money, but no, he wants to play for Liverpool and signs a new contract.

Hayward

Same as Lipton, tipped us for the league but now not so sure. Mascher is not here in his 'head', Alonso not here in body and we miss Hyypia. Rafa has mismanaged the front of the team with a lack of strikers and amazed to see Gerrard play deeper in the CL and doesnt understand such tactical meddling.

 

On the striking debate and dependance on Torres, they look back now at strikers they sold - especially Crouch.

 

I don't why I get the Observer, I really don't. It is the nastiest, snidiest paper out there about us.

 

Hayward hasn't long joined and has been ok so far, but get this from Paul Wilson (again):

 

Observer

 

Red faces all round as Hicks fails to do history homework

 

Can't imagine why, but Sir Alex Ferguson has been going out of his way to praise Liverpool recently, arguing that today's little local difficulty is some way behind the really big derby in the north-west and adding that he had nothing but admiration for the way Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish carried on the traditions put in place by Bill Shankly to take the Anfield club to a position of dominance in England and Europe.

 

He knows his history, in other words, and is not about to let an intense rivalry prevent him from giving credit where credit is due Most Liverpool supporters bear the same grudging respect for Manchester United's achievements over the years, whatever they may sing at matches, so you can imagine the embarrassment when American co-owner Tom Hicks introduced his version of history to the argument.

 

"Liverpool was a famous club around many parts of the world before Manchester United became strong in the last 20 years and that's a heritage we want to build on," Hicks said, as part of a roundabout answer to the question of why Liverpool have not yet started building on Stanley Park.

 

He must have got his Kop anthems mixed up. It's Chelsea who ain't got no history. United, pre-1990, just had the Busby Babes; Best, Charlton and Law; the first English European Cup success; and – before Liverpool moved decisively ahead in the 1970s – the same number of league titles as the Anfield club.

 

The bit in bold is just priceless. Like Fergusonm singing our own praises is anything other than an attempt to get at City. And God knows now how many times he has made refernce to the things that get sung about United when we play them, without ever once mentioning what they sing about us week in week out. He is an absolute c*** and he makes my blood boil.

[Earl Hafler]

Getting very tired of the cliche; "Liverpool, who have already lost as many games this season as they lost in the entire season last year,.....". Everyone on TV appears to have learned this phrase off by heart.

 

Aint just us, it's that they're tired themselves. I remember when Coventry hadn't won away all season and whenever anyone said the word Coventry, it was followed by that fact.

 

I think they touched on several points we've been discussing on here but what's obvious is that they aren't given as much inside information as they are at other club, especially those in London.

 

If we're only a few points back when Aquilani returns, i think it could be interesting but the lack of quality in attack is glaring ( and questionable on Rafa's part ) and the defence needs to pull together - i still maintain that Carra and Skrtel is not the longterm solution.

[Rich Gobey]

Carra, at 31, is no long term solution for any side.

[gkmacca]

One of them also sneered at Ngog for not being a 'legend'. And they implied all Rafa needed to do to improve the squad was to buy a few superstars in the summer, but he was just too stubborn to do so. They seem to glory in their ignorance about the club.

[badtodabone]

dont suppose anyone mentioned that utd have lost only 1 less game this year than we have

[Rory Fitzgerald]

One of them also sneered at Ngog for not being a 'legend'. And they implied all Rafa needed to do to improve the squad was to buy a few superstars in the summer, but he was just too stubborn to do so. They seem to glory in their ignorance about the club.

 

I just posted the facts above, I didnt give an opinion.

 

MGarry was very smug and trotted out the kind of simpleton s£!t without going deeper. What about the finances of our club ? Where was Rafa's money to go further with the strike force ? We miss Crouch, we wanted to keep him, he wanted to leave, God forbid he still remain on our bench because he would be Englands saviour for the World Cup if he was getting 90mins consistently. There was so much s*** talked that its just too much to analyse in depth.

 

I put the post up to show people how some in the media perceive us. I like the Sunday Supplement and will watch it but I can understand those that dont but what they said on this issue was a bit unfair on Rafa - and partly because they feel he is not an 'Arry kinda bloke.

[Swipe]

A ridiculous programme full of c****. The one from the rag is the worst of the lot. Smug, ignorant t***.

[Raj]

A ridiculous programme full of c****. The one from the rag is the worst of the lot. Smug, ignorant t***.

 

The end.

[Stevie H]

i don't know why anyone watches this and gives it the viewing figures. horrible show.

[floyd]

It used to be quite good in the days when it was on a Friday night, Hold the Back Page it was called then, but ever since the advent of saturated football coverage, the journalist have now become celebrities in their own lifetime, whoring themselves on Talkshyte, TVAM and Radio5. I believe some of them even have their own agents.

The press have for as long as the 35+ years I have been reading the papers, have always been favourable to the Mancs and London teams. It's just more visible nowadays.

And the Sh1thouse rag journo, please ignore

[GWistooshort]

Hayward

Same as Lipton, tipped us for the league but now not so sure. Mascher is not here in his 'head', Alonso not here in body and we miss Hyypia. Rafa has mismanaged the front of the team with a lack of strikers and amazed to see Gerrard play deeper in the CL and doesnt understand such tactical meddling.

 

So Masch's head isn't right, but was amazed to see Gerrard replace him in midfield

[Chili Palmer]

So Masch's head isn't right, but was amazed to see Gerrard replace him in midfield

 

 

fwiw, I think he's right about Masch, just a nagging feeling I have.

[GWistooshort]

fwiw, I think he's right about Masch, just a nagging feeling I have.

 

I agree with him too on that point, it was just how he could argue on the one hand that Mascherano's head isn't right & therefore I assume shouldn't be playing, but that Gerrard shouldn't have played in midfield

 

If Rafa had picked Gerrard up top off Torres & two of Plessis, Spearing & Lucas in midfield against Debreceni & we hadn't won I wonder whether the journo would have come out & said Rafa picked the right team?

[gkmacca]

It used to be quite good in the days when it was on a Friday night, Hold the Back Page it was called then,

 

That was an unintentionally hilarious show - faux Fine Young Cannibals signature tune, then we saw what looked like four 'resting' taxi drivers sitting in a tiny room under a 60watt bulb, with cameramen dressed in black roaming around in the shadows. Then that metamorphosed into Jimmy Hill's kitchen, with Martin Samuel eyeing the plastic croissants with barely suppressed eagerness, and now it's the Wooly Woolnough Show, featuring Woolly as a resting market stall trader and three resting taxi drivers (unless Henry 'The Vicar' Winter pops in). The main problem with the show is that it is based in London, therefore features London-based hacks and has a London bias. Dreadful. And they have the nerve to offer a podcast of 'highlights'. There'd be more highlights on a bald man's head.

[Billy Talbot]

Should be a good format. ie - get the leading journos from the nationals and get them to sit about and chew the fat, directed by Jimmy Hill. Excellent.

 

Unfortunately for them (and us) it merely serves to show that the our press is written by and for vacuous idiots.

[Kahnee]

I agree with him too on that point, it was just how he could argue on the one hand that Mascherano's head isn't right & therefore I assume shouldn't be playing, but that Gerrard shouldn't have played in midfield

 

If Rafa had picked Gerrard up top off Torres & two of Plessis, Spearing & Lucas in midfield against Debreceni & we hadn't won I wonder whether the journo would have come out & said Rafa picked the right team?

 

That's the wonder of Sky's coverage all round. No one ever questions such obvious piffle

 

On the subject of Mash - he's clearly not himself right now, but did we not have the same last season up until Christmas? He's had the Barca stuff going on, and his national team (managed by his idol, who made him captain) are playing like a Sunday park side assembled 10 mins before kick-off.

[David Hodgson]

That was an unintentionally hilarious show - faux Fine Young Cannibals signature tune, then we saw what looked like four 'resting' taxi drivers sitting in a tiny room under a 60watt bulb, with cameramen dressed in black roaming around in the shadows. Then that metamorphosed into Jimmy Hill's kitchen, with Martin Samuel eyeing the plastic croissants with barely suppressed eagerness, and now it's the Wooly Woolnough Show, featuring Woolly as a resting market stall trader and three resting taxi drivers (unless Henry 'The Vicar' Winter pops in). The main problem with the show is that it is based in London, therefore features London-based hacks and has a London bias. Dreadful. And they have the nerve to offer a podcast of 'highlights'. There'd be more highlights on a bald man's head.

 

 

That post is as close to poetry as you'll get on this forum.

 

Superb.

[Swipe]

It was good!

[Swipe]

Have always thought of Henry Winter as one of the better football journalists, but after following him on Twitter he comes across as a right Manc/Chelsea lover. Never shuts up about them.

 

Here's his latest:

 

"Most significant event of the day? Easy. Hargreaves returns to Carrington to accelerate rehab. He could prove England's World Cup right-back"

[Chili Palmer]

"Most significant event of the day? Easy. Hargreaves returns to Carrington to accelerate rehab. He could prove England's World Cup right-back"

 

 

Thats a joke, Johnson must have slept with ALOT of Journos wifes.