Well wel well - CL Draw tomorrow

[Woodsyla]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/d.../trank2008.html

 

and the Mancs are NOT going to be amongst the top seeds.

 

As far as I'm aware all of the below

 

1 AC Milan

2 Chelsea

3 Liverpool

4 FC Barcelona

5 Olympique Lyon

6 Arsenal

7 Internazionale

9 Real Madrid

 

have qualified so the Mancs are in the second group of teams. That should make things a bit harder for them. Potentially Sevilla could oust Real Madrid so the Mancs are looking at

 

Milan, Barca, Lyon, Inter and Real/Sevilla in their group. None of those are easy.

[Florist Cinema Pond Goal]

But that discounts 02/03 and involves this year's.

 

Surely this is the list... http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/d.../trank2007.html

[Guy_Incognito]

Yes I`m sure, this team does not have many goals in it.

 

So if they have a gash season in Europe this year, then they could be in the second seeds next season?

 

They would, of course, still manage to get the easiest group.

[johngibo YPC]

The radio said last night that all 4 English clubs are top seeds

They were also unsure what the f*** they are going to do about this Seville thing

[Cobs]

how in the name of hairy feck are Newcastle in the top 10 ?

[Gomez]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/d.../trank2008.html

 

and the Mancs are NOT going to be amongst the top seeds.

 

As far as I'm aware all of the below

 

1 AC Milan

2 Chelsea

3 Liverpool

4 FC Barcelona

5 Olympique Lyon

6 Arsenal

7 Internazionale

9 Real Madrid

 

have qualified so the Mancs are in the second group of teams. That should make things a bit harder for them. Potentially Sevilla could oust Real Madrid so the Mancs are looking at

 

Milan, Barca, Lyon, Inter and Real/Sevilla in their group. None of those are easy.

 

Can't believe the chavs are seeded above us. I am pretty sure we would be second seeds and Barca would be third.

[Woodsyla]

But that discounts 02/03 and involves this year's.

 

Surely this is the list... http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/d.../trank2007.html

 

 

Oh, hairy nobsacks, you are right

 

Bloody jammy manc t***s.

[Stevie H]

how in the name of hairy feck are Newcastle in the top 10 ?

is it because they love a centre forward?

[Hassony]

is it because they love a centre forward?

 

its because they were the last english team to win a european trophy

[Gilps]

is it because they love a centre forward?

 

Why-Aye, man

[deacon]

is it because they love a centre forward?

 

It's not just centre forwards that the Newcastle fans love, don't forget, they love goals and entertaining football.

[Gunga Din]

Can't believe the chavs are seeded above us. I am pretty sure we would be second seeds and Barca would be third.

 

they aren't

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

The radio said last night that all 4 English clubs are top seeds

They were also unsure what the f*** they are going to do about this Seville thing

get big wedge on Arsenal tonight then, if they're already through

[Gilps]

It's not just centre forwards that the Newcastle fans love, don't forget, they love goals and entertaining football.

 

And getting their moobs out

[Sion]

they aren't

 

ay, Woodsyla ballsed it up and posted the wrong list. For United to drop out of the top 8 seeds for next years competition is very probable.

 

They'd need to get to at least the 1/4's this season, and hope the teams around them don't do well. Their 02/03 score is pretty good, 26, and that won't be counted next season as 03/04 will be the earliest. so if they get say 23 this year for losing in the 1/4's, their 5 scores adding up their rank will be 15+17+12+27+23 = 94, the current 8th place (which actually is United) are on 99, so you can see they'd probably be knocked out the top 8. Probably by someone like Lyon, who's 02/03 score is only 10 and will not be counted next year, so should they do better than the group stages this year, will easily get above 100.

 

I think Chelsea are assured of top 8 for the next 2 years because of their 3 semi finals. They got pretty much no points in 02/03 which affects their rank this year but next year this won't be counted anymore and they'll shoot up to 2nd/3rd probably above us if they reach the 1/4's. We're also assured of top 8 for a few years unless we do terrible this year, I.E lose all 6 group games, then we'll start to look edgy

[growler]

real madrid need a good run too, or they will drop out. Shame about Juve, as that would have dropped the wancs to 2nd seeds.

 

We all know that FM is real, right? Well I tried an experiment. I changed the seeding, so that the mancs were seeded 4th. Didn't matter how many times I did it, they always got an easy draw. Some things are just TOO real...

 

BTW, being second seed doesn't really matter to be honest, because the 3rd and 4th teams are usually gash anyway.

[Raj]

ay, Woodsyla ballsed it up and posted the wrong list. For United to drop out of the top 8 seeds for next years competition is very probable.

 

Its possible. Here is the link, which shows where all teams are before all European co-efficients are added.

 

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/d.../trank2008.html

[Mr S]

How will Sevilla and AEK not playing affect this? Could Sevilla be a third seed and AEK a fourth or are both the same?

[Sion]

How will Sevilla and AEK not playing affect this? Could Sevilla be a third seed and AEK a fourth or are both the same?

 

It'll affect the issue of clubs not playing clus from the same league and home/away dates as well. I'm sure they'll think of some right complicated way to figure it out.

[Mr S]

It'll affect the issue of clubs not playing clus from the same league and home/away dates as well. I'm sure they'll think of some right complicated way to figure it out.

 

Well there are 3 Spanish teams and 1 other Greek team, so there is good chance they could get drawn in the same group. Sevilla would be drawn out of the second pot as they have a rating of 87 whereas AEK would be from the fourth as they only have a rating of 36. I can't see any way of conducting it without doing two completely separate draws

[hels smicer]

as long as we get Slavia Prague i dont care! (i dont mean about what happens with sevilla-aek)

 

*crosses everything crossable*

 

Edited August 29, 2007 by hels smicer

[CarraLegend]

as long as we get Slavia Prague i dont care! (i dont mean about what happens with sevilla-aek)

 

*crosses everything crossable*

 

 

He went off injured tonight

 

Spartak miss pen, they have battered Celtic

[hels smicer]

He went off injured tonight

 

i know Vladi went off

 

i am hoping its nothing serious or his poorly knee again

 

i dont suposse anyone understands Czech & can tell me whats wrong can they please?

 

[Sion]

Well there are 3 Spanish teams and 1 other Greek team, so there is good chance they could get drawn in the same group. Sevilla would be drawn out of the second pot as they have a rating of 87 whereas AEK would be from the fourth as they only have a rating of 36. I can't see any way of conducting it without doing two completely separate draws

 

Yeah they could easily have one draw 'incase Seville win' and one draw 'incase AEK win', but Seville will win anyway, so only the first will matter.

 

Don't think UEFA will do that, It's not complicated enough.

[Sion]

Pot 1

1 Milan 133.808

2 Barcelona 119.374

3 Liverpool 112.618

4 Internazionale 107.808

5 Arsenal 104.618

6 Real Madrid 104.374

7 Manchester United* 99.618

8 Chelsea* 99.618

 

Pot 2

9 Valencia 95.706

10 Lyon 99.374

11 Porto 89.107

12 Sevilla / AEK Athens** 87.374

13 PSV Eindhoven 81.995

14 Roma 78.808

15 Benfica 67.107

16 Werder Bremen 63.640

 

Pot 3

17 Celtic 62.064

18 Schalke 04 60.640

19 Stuttgart 58.640

20 Steaua 55.255

21 CSKA Moscow 53.920

22 Sporting Lisbon 52.107

23 Lazio 51.808

24 Marseille 51.706

 

Pot 4

25 Rangers 47.064

26 Shakhtar Donetsk 44.726

27 Beşiktaş 43.791

28 Olympiacos 42.415

29 Dynamo Kiev 38.726

30 Fenerbahçe 36.791

31 Slavia Prague 32.851

32 Rosenborg 31.509

** Due to the death of Antonio Puerta, the second leg of Sevilla's game against AEK Athens has been postponed until Monday, 3 September. Due to the seeding criteria, Both teams will use the higher coefficients between two teams when the draw is held

 

That would be a clear unfair advantage to AEK in my book? Because their game was postponed, they move up 2 pots from pot 4 to pot 2 and thus avoid drawing the likes of Valencia and Lyon as they're in the same pot and instead being able to play weaker teams like Beşiktaş and Slavia Prague as they're no longer in their pot. Unless i've misinterpreted this, it means should AEK beat Seville (albeit unlikely they're 2-0 down, but you don't know what effect Puerta's death could have had) they'll have a much greater chance of qualifying for the last 16. This seems a strange way of doing it.