dirk kuyt

[Stevie H]

could apparently become the first player in 40 years to have spent 6 seasons at liverpool without winning anything, according to l'equipe on twitter.

[David Hodgson]

could apparently become the first player in 40 years to have spent 6 seasons at liverpool without winning anything, according to l'equipe on twitter.

 

A fairly arbitrary and spiteful statistic that. He's played in a CL final for liverpool and been a Premier League runner up. No medals for either but both are more significant events than domestic cup wins.

[Stevie H]

yeah seemed a bit of a dig of a comment really didn't it? don't think it's so much a slight on dirk as it is just where we've been the past five years or so. though as you say he's still played and scored in a european cup final, something most will never do.

[Behind Enemy Lines]

A fairly arbitrary and spiteful statistic that. He's played in a CL final for liverpool and been a Premier League runner up. No medals for either but both are more significant events than domestic cup wins.

Do they not do runners up medals in CL finals?

[fred]

Do they not do runners up medals in CL finals?

 

They do afaik, but winning a runners up medal isn't really winning is it.

[Rory Fitzgerald]

A fairly arbitrary and spiteful statistic that. He's played in a CL final for liverpool and been a Premier League runner up. No medals for either but both are more significant events than domestic cup wins.

 

Coming 2nd in the league is a much better indicator of consistency than a cup run that most likely includes lower league teams on the path to the final. But if you have that already then winning the FA Cup is more significant I would contend.

[_00_deathscar]

A fairly arbitrary and spiteful statistic that. He's played in a CL final for liverpool and been a Premier League runner up. No medals for either but both are more significant events than domestic cup wins.

 

Fairly certain he got medals for that. Well, the CL final at least. Not a gold admittedly..

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

it is about time we f***ing won something though.

I know we're spoilt but even through lean times we've never had to wait long for a trophy.

[Stevie H]

it is about time we f***ing won something though.

I know we're spoilt but even through lean times we've never had to wait long for a trophy.

yeah was talking about the 2006 fa cup final last night with a mate and it seems like f***ing ages ago.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

yeah was talking about the 2006 fa cup final last night with a mate and it seems like f***ing ages ago.

 

aye, I've moved jobs four times since then, moved house 3 times, got engaged, got married, had a kid.

it was a different lifetime.

[Cobs]

A fairly arbitrary and spiteful statistic that. He's played in a CL final for liverpool and been a Premier League runner up. No medals for either but both are more significant events than domestic cup wins.

First is first

 

Second is nowhere

 

You know that

[Leo No.8]

Why the f*ck do L'Equipe care about this? Is Patrick Barclay guest writing for them?

Edited October 28, 2011 by Leo No.8

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

I haven't read the piece in question, but it doesn't have to be taken as a dig.

[David Hodgson]

First is first

 

Second is nowhere

 

You know that

 

I do, and I wish that was still the case, but the rules got re-written when the 'European Super League' (aka CL) was invented.

 

The minute the domestic cups got downgraded, as a consequence, the concept of 'wining something' for its own sake, changed.

 

Notwithstanding that actually seeing your team lift a trophy and the final day out itself are the stuff of great memories, there's a strong case for now saying that coming runner up in the big competitions trumps getting medals in the lesser ones.

 

It's not how it should be, but it's the way it's become.

[Cobs]

I haven't read the piece in question, but it doesn't have to be taken as a dig.

'Course it does!

 

THEY HATE US!

[Guy_Incognito]

I choose to read it as endorsement of our illustrious history.

[Cobs]

Notwithstanding that actually seeing your team lift a trophy and the final day out itself are the stuff of great memories, there's a strong case for now saying that coming runner up in the big competitions trumps getting medals in the lesser ones.

It's not how it should be, but it's the way it's become.

I wonder if Dirk feels like that after 6 years...?

[Stevie H]

'Course it does!

 

THEY HATE US!

ils nous detestent. les connards du rue de fleet.

[épieur]

4th+FA Cup > 2nd place

[aka Dus]

I didnt read it as a dig when it first came up a few days ago. IIRC, Dirk actually commented on it / was asked about it.

 

We need to win something this season - 4th place and a pot preferably.

[honourablegeorge]

could apparently become the first player in 40 years to have spent 6 seasons at liverpool without winning anything, according to l'equipe on twitter.

 

It's called "Pulling an Arsenal".

 

Well, it would be if anyone stayed at Arsenal that long.

[Epic Swindle]

It's an interesting stat to be honest. I know we got to the CL final again but Dirk for me represented a shift in philosophy for Benitez, especially when he ended up as a winger, and one focused primarily on stopping the opposition. He was a godsend in those big CL games but I don't think we needed him as much domestically.

 

Apparently Rafa said he chose him over Alves. It would have been interesting to see what direction we'd gone if we'd bought a proper right sided player instead of spreading our money around on Dirk and Pennant.

[épieur]

It's an interesting stat to be honest. I know we got to the CL final again but Dirk for me represented a shift in philosophy for Benitez, especially when he ended up as a winger, and one focused primarily on stopping the opposition.

 

Christ.

[Cobs]

It's called "Pulling an Arsenal".

 

Well, it would be if anyone stayed at Arsenal that long.

They've gone longer than 6 years in the last 40yrs

 

Won nowt between 79 FA cup & 87 league cup

 

Just saying

[muleskinner]

It's an interesting stat to be honest. I know we got to the CL final again but Dirk for me represented a shift in philosophy for Benitez, especially when he ended up as a winger, and one focused primarily on stopping the opposition. He was a godsend in those big CL games but I don't think we needed him as much domestically.

 

Apparently Rafa said he chose him over Alves. It would have been interesting to see what direction we'd gone if we'd bought a proper right sided player instead of spreading our money around on Dirk and Pennant.

 

When did he say that? They wouldn't sell him. He bought Kuyt as a striker, Alves is a full back in case you hadn't noticed.