German rumours

[John am Rhein]

the following were just passed on to me:

 

Pizarro to Chelsea

Wenger to leave Arsenal

Hargreaves - was für eine Geldverschwendung!!

 

Ripley to Mainz '05

 

Oh yeah, and Shevchenko back to AC Milan

 

Ballack back to Bayern? "No, too old!"

Edited May 24, 2007 by John am Rhein

[Ostrich Man]

Hargreaves - was für eine Geldverschwendung!!

more so than Premier League Medal winner 06/07 Carrick?

[John am Rhein]

more so than Premier League Medal winner 06/07 Carrick?

 

What did he cost?

[Ostrich Man]

a few bob.

[John am Rhein]

Waste of money, then

[Ostrich Man]

 

 

worth it so far.

[John am Rhein]

worth it so far.

 

Nothing to do with that useless lump Carrick, though was it.

 

Would be a bit like attributing Chelsea's title the previous year to Carvalho.

[stressederic]

Nothing to do with that useless lump Carrick, though was it.

 

Would be a bit like attributing Chelsea's title the previous year to Carvalho.

 

Carrick played his part in the team, got some important goals and assists. Of course he was overpriced, but if we had the option of spending £17m on one player and then winning the league, I'd consider it.

 

Same goes for Carvalho as well, probably more so. He's a better defender then John Terry.

[Ostrich Man]

each were vital to theri respective teams picking up that trophy though.

 

 

very much something to do with it then.

[John am Rhein]

Carrick played his part in the team, got some important goals and assists. Of course he was overpriced, but if we had the option of spending £17m on one player and then winning the league, I'd consider it.

 

He wasn't the reason they won the League, though. He was just an overhyped player from the season before who they convinced themselves was the replacement for Roy Keane. They'd have won the League without that no-mark and saved themselves the money.

 

Similarly, Hargreaves (who's probably a better player than Carrick, but untested at Premier League level) is being overhyped because he wasn't quite as sh*t as the other England players (including Carrick) at the world cup last summer. The Bundesliga's crap and Hargreaves hardly stands out in it.

 

 

each were vital to theri respective teams picking up that trophy though.

 

Wrong in both cases. Carvalho's inadequacy was ruthlessly exposed when Terry wasn't fit to play. You're right, however, in that he was wrongly perceived as a key player, whereas he was in fact little more than a passenger.

[Ostrich Man]

its good that the managers of both teams can be so blind and wrong in their perceptions of those players.....you should write to Benitez and explain to him exactly how to win the league.....he clearly needs your powerful insights and help.

[New York Red]

John. I have a German rumour that I'd like you to confirm.

 

Do Germans still like to employ a lot of sh*t and p*ss in their sexual escapades?

[John am Rhein]

John. I have a German rumour that I'd like you to confirm.

 

Do Germans still like to employ a lot of sh*t and p*ss in their sexual escapades?

 

How would I know?

 

its good that the managers of both teams can be so blind and wrong in their perceptions of those players.....you should write to Benitez and explain to him exactly how to win the league.....he clearly needs your powerful insights and help.

 

Nonsense. It's not a question of being wrong. It's a question of wasting money. In Chelsea's case, it doesn't even seem to be the manager who makes the transfer decisions.

 

Then again was Carvalho particularly expensive? Can't remember what his transfer fee was.

[New York Red]

How would I know?

 

 

Ohhhh, maybe someone told you at the local Beer Keller

 

Nonsense. It's not a question of being wrong. It's a question of wasting money. In Chelsea's case, it doesn't even seem to be the manager who makes the transfer decisions.

 

Then again was Carvalho particularly expensive? Can't remember what his transfer fee was.

 

I think it was about 18 million.

Edited May 24, 2007 by New York Red

[Ostrich Man]

Nonsense. It's not a question of being wrong. It's a question of wasting money. In Chelsea's case, it doesn't even seem to be the manager who makes the transfer decisions.

so would signing Kuyt, bellamy and pennant be a bigger waste of money...combined cost 20 mill = no trophy

[NWR]

How would I know?

Nonsense. It's not a question of being wrong. It's a question of wasting money.

 

Then maybe you should have a word with Rafa. He does seem to waste a lot of money.

 

How many of the players he bought in last year will leave this summer?

 

Paul Scholes siad that having Carrick there allowed him a free roll to go forward.

 

Anyway, what cost for the PL trophy?

[John am Rhein]

so would signing Kuyt, bellamy and pennant be a bigger waste of money...combined cost 20 mill = no trophy

 

I'm not sure about Pennant - what did he cost? But the other two were sound buys. You can't evaluate individual transfers based on trophies won. Trophies won is a measure of the overall management success rate. Transfers are only a small part of that and specific transfers are an even smaller part.

 

Then maybe you should have a word with Rafa. He does seem to waste a lot of money.

 

How many of the players he bought in last year will leave this summer?

 

You may have a point (?) But it doesn't alter the fact that Carrick and Carvalho were a waste of money and now Hargreaves is a waste of money - unless he miraculously discovers abilities he never had before, of course. It could just be that the style of play in the Bundesliga was holding him back

 

I think it was about 18 million.

 

There you go. Waste of money!

[Gomez]

Nonsense. It's not a question of being wrong. It's a question of wasting money. In Chelsea's case, it doesn't even seem to be the manager who makes the transfer decisions.

 

Exactly, the question is, would they still have won the league if they had spent £8m less and bought Mascherano? Or numerous other cheaper less hyped CMs who would have had the same impact as Carrick

[The Hitman]

Wrong in both cases. Carvalho's inadequacy was ruthlessly exposed when Terry wasn't fit to play. You're right, however, in that he was wrongly perceived as a key player, whereas he was in fact little more than a passenger.

You're mad,John.

Carvalho's class.He's a better player than Terry.The reason they were "exposed" when Terry wasn't fit to play was that useless lump Boulahrouz was played.

[Flight]

Carvalho has been exceptional this season; he proved his worth when Cech and Terry were out for long periods.

[Extraordinary Swindle]

Ribery is joining Bayern - gossip on French radio.

[Ostrich Man]

Exactly, the question is, would they still have won the league if they had spent £8m less and bought Mascherano? Or numerous other cheaper less hyped CMs who would have had the same impact as Carrick

Well personally i think if we had bought Zakora as so many on here ridiculed UTD for not doing so...i dont think we would have.

 

 

people didnt want mascherano and tevez for the price(and issues) being bandied about....and we needed a summer signing.

 

so basically carrick fitted the bill, we paid a full price for him and the team which included him delivered.

 

therefore not a waste of money.

[Guest Anders Honoré]

Ribery is joining Bayern - gossip on French radio.

 

not if we get there first!

 

[Leo No.8]

Then maybe you should have a word with Rafa. He does seem to waste a lot of money.

 

How many of the players he bought in last year will leave this summer?

 

I think you'll find that not many of the players he brings in then ships out again go for less than we paid. Morientes is one, but he's a classy footballer whose game just didn't take to English football so I'll let him off with that one.

 

We'll make a profit on the likes of Bellamy, Carson and Arbeloa if he moves on as well as is being mooted.

[The Hitman]

Why Arbeloa?

I think he's a decent player.Started off outstandingly,but then dipped.Still a more than capable buy though.