allez les rouges Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I pray to god that his performances are not as a result of his eye, but only poor form. 1 or 2 games apart, since his return from injury he has been awful. he was shocking last night. come on lad, we are all with. we are going to need the best of you over the next few weeks.
McBain Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Haven't seen any of last night but i thought he did well against PSV recently. I was hoping that signalled a return to form but it looks like it was just a one off With Mascher in such exceptional form he's surely now the pick for all big games
Rory Fitzgerald Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I wouldnt say it was his eye injury as he has played some magnificent games since then and received rave reviews at the start of this season. His 1st two seasons and he has had 2 major injuries that he has comeback from relatively quickly, I'd put it down to short term form rather than a long term problem - his biggest problem though is his passing - if he can sort that out then................
Sheida V Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Last night he was poor again and as soon as Kuyt replaced him we started to look much more threatening. Hope it's got nothing to do with his eye, or if it does, it's nothing permanent. He always tries hard though and you could see on his face how frustrated he was with himself.
Huyton_Red Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 He is only a young lad, he has been phenomenal for us since he came, a couple of months out of form is no problem He is the new boo boys favourite, any f'cker boos him or rips into him within striking distance of me and I am gonna banjo them
Kopfaithful Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 He is only a young lad, he has been phenomenal for us since he came, a couple of months out of form is no problem He is the new boo boys favourite, any f'cker boos him or rips into him within striking distance of me and I am gonna banjo them I don't quite understand why people think this. His work rate has been phenomenal, but if you think his all round contribution has been that, you must be used to watching a team at evertons level or something.
Guest Anders Honoré Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 (edited) I actually think the best form he has showed for us was in the second half of last season, and the eye injury didn't seem to trouble him then. If he can rediscover that level of passing, he's an excellent player. you jonahed him you orange t.it. I agree with the sentiment, but what does that mean? third time I've seen it used recently. Edited April 19, 2007 by Anders Honoré
Huyton_Red Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I don't quite understand why people think this. His work rate has been phenomenal, but if you think his all round contribution has been that, you must be used to watching a team at evertons level or something.
jon_hall Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 He needs to be left on the training ground with a ball and a f***ing wall. Once he has learnt the simple technique of passing then he should be back in the team. Brilliant at what he does but we need people who can pass to their own players. On a seperate note can Zenden f*** off please.
sutty Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Mo mo mo he's tragic You knowHe can't f***ing pass Sissoko
jon_hall Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Is Zenden the official new scapegoat? Did i say scapegoat? Nope he is just not good enough for Liverpool Football Club to move forward.
magneto Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I'm in disagreement with the majority. I thought last night he was average but if he'd had better shooting boots on he would have been "good". I think the problem is that he needs space and time on the ball, last night he was too close to the action and couldn't pass accurately enough. We can develop him.
cymrococh Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 (edited) I've been saying this about Zenden for ages, Birmingham City last season in fact. He really is rubbish, and he's cowardly. Edited April 19, 2007 by Paul Caruso
sutty Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I've been saying this about Zenden for ages, Birmingham City last season in fact. He really is rubbish, and he's cowardly.He's a ninja though.
Leo No.8 Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 (edited) I was saying last night at the game - Momo is out of form but I think he's suffering from just how good Mascherano looks already. When you see Mascherano all over the pitch, throwing tackles in, winning the ball back again and again the way Sissoko does, but then on top of that playing it to a red shirt every time without fail and showing great range in his passing it kind of puts Momo's ability into perspective. I know they are the same age but Sissoko is very raw still compared to Mascherano, who plays like a 30 year old. Before Javier arrived people would be more forgiving if Momo gave the ball away because of how often he'd win it back, but now some people are becoming intolerant because they see another guy come in and do what he can't - but that's out for order. They are both ball-winners but very different players; Sissoko is employed higher up the pitch to pressurise the opposition playmakers trying to start attacks from deep and allowing us to maintain a good territorial position, wheras Mascherano breaks it down more often in our own final third when the attacks are more advanced and starts our play off with his passing. We should be glad we've got both of them; I actually think Mascherano will become established as one of our key players and first names on the teamsheet along with Reina, Carragher, Gerrard and Alonso. But Momo is still a great option to have when the opposition have playmakers picking the ball up deep the way Barca did, and we want to stop them playing from their own half and keeping possession. Also Momo has a brilliant attitude so I'm sure he'll be happy to be rotated as most of the squad is. I'm made up we've got them both - I don't think Rafa got the balance right last night, because where's the point in playing Momo to stop the opposition from passing it when they've got no playmakers and no desire to pass through midfield? Games like that he's useless. But if he uses Momo in the right games he'll continue being an important member of the squad. Edited April 19, 2007 by Leo No.8
yellow jumper Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 just trying too hard at the moment. think he's pretty instinctive, and a little hit and miss with his passing at the best of times, but perhaps with confidence a little low (and the threat mascherano represents to his place) he's rushing things when he has the time (and the speed and strength) to be able to take a bit more care. probably teams are getting wiser to him too, and crowding him in possession.
crisps Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Last night i jus couldnt help thinking, why are we playing two defensive midfielders at home against boro :/
Leo No.8 Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 (edited) Last night i jus couldnt help thinking, why are we playing two defensive midfielders at home against boro :/ Totally agree - I thought Rafa got the balance all wrong last night. The only players we had in the side who could actually make something happen in the final third were Gerrard or Pennant. Considering it was a game we'd expect to win we didn't have enough attacking players in the side. If you're going to play one up front then don't play Momo and Mascherano, and if you do then don't play Zenden who is essentially a defensive midfielder as well these days, get someone in with some pace and who has the potential to score like Gonzalez. I understand resting players but if anything Gonzalez as a promising young player who has had injuries needs games, and Zenden won't be here next season so I couldn't see the point in playing him. It's a good thing Gerrard pulled it out because he was one of a very select few we were relying on to do so. Edited April 19, 2007 by Leo No.8
Sheida V Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I think Zenden is much better through the middle. On the left I'd rather see Gonzalez.
Leo No.8 Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I think Zenden is much better through the middle. On the left I'd rather see Gonzalez. I'd rather see Jimmy Krankie on the left than Zenden.
allez les rouges Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 Totally agree - I thought Rafa got the balance all wrong last night. The only players we had in the side who could actually make something happen in the final third were Gerrard or Pennant. Considering it was a game we'd expect to win we didn't have enough attacking players in the side. If you're going to play one up front then don't play Momo and Mascherano, and if you do then don't play Zenden who is essentially a defensive midfielder as well these days, get someone in with some pace and who has the potential to score like Gonzalez. I understand resting players but if anything Gonzalez as a promising young player who has had injuries needs games, and Zenden won't be here next season so I couldn't see the point in playing him. It's a good thing Gerrard pulled it out because he was one of a very select few we were relying on to do so. without question. I agree with all of that. I can only assume that he is playing his tactics for chelsea in advance of the match so that his machine is well and truly oiled before hand. at least i hope it was
mercury Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I was saying last night at the game - Momo is out of form but I think he's suffering from just how good Mascherano looks already. When you see Mascherano all over the pitch, throwing tackles in, winning the ball back again and again the way Sissoko does, but then on top of that playing it to a red shirt every time without fail and showing great range in his passing it kind of puts Momo's ability into perspective. I know they are the same age but Sissoko is very raw still compared to Mascherano, who plays like a 30 year old. Before Javier arrived people would be more forgiving if Momo gave the ball away because of how often he'd win it back, but now some people are becoming intolerant because they see another guy come in and do what he can't - but that's out for order. They are both ball-winners but very different players; Sissoko is employed higher up the pitch to pressurise the opposition playmakers trying to start attacks from deep and allowing us to maintain a good territorial position, wheras Mascherano breaks it down more often in our own final third when the attacks are more advanced and starts our play off with his passing. We should be glad we've got both of them; I actually think Mascherano will become established as one of our key players and first names on the teamsheet along with Reina, Carragher, Gerrard and Alonso. But Momo is still a great option to have when the opposition have playmakers picking the ball up deep the way Barca did, and we want to stop them playing from their own half and keeping possession. Also Momo has a brilliant attitude so I'm sure he'll be happy to be rotated as most of the squad is. I'm made up we've got them both - I don't think Rafa got the balance right last night, because where's the point in playing Momo to stop the opposition from passing it when they've got no playmakers and no desire to pass through midfield? Games like that he's useless. But if he uses Momo in the right games he'll continue being an important member of the squad. That exactly is what Momo is at the moment. He is still very raw and cannot compare to Gerrard, Alonso and Mascher's all round contribution on the pitch. But he still has time, let him work on his game.
Earl Hafler Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 That's the thing, though. Momo is never going to be like Xabi or Gerrard with his passing. His game will develop and hopefully he'll learn to play it simple consistently like Didi or Makelele but with Masherano now at the club i think Momo is third choice whatever his form. Playing him last night at home to Boro was ridiculous, unless Rafa was hoping it would be a confidence booster or improve his fitness but either way, three central midfielders and one forward against Boro was The facts are Momo was never as good as some people on here thought, neither is he as bad as his current form but he's going to have to develop quickly A few of Rafa's recent team selections have been both disappointingly defensive and puzzling.
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