Meh, he did finish 2nd in the league at least. Managers at Barce and RM get sacked nothing most of the time. Massive failure to the impatient Barca board and many of the fans yes but they tend to be a bit deluded to me. Nope, but probably not a huge failure either. Don't follow Turkish football well enough to be certain but it is a pretty tough league. Just saying I'd rather have him than Hodgson and O'Neill for instance. Perhaps Völler would be available for the assistant manager spot? Realising I'm replying to a post ten pages back... s***loads of posts on the forum today.