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But that's the point - if he's agreed personal terms with the new club then it's not against his wishes. Just like any other contract, there will always be options for either party to end the contract early, without it being paid up in full.

Doesn't make sense that the club would pay up the wages when selling the player. For example, if a player is on 60k a week, and has three years remaining on his contract, then that would require the club to payout over 9m, so any transfer fee that they receive is going to go to the player - in which why sell the player at all? This is how I believe it works: - Player signs a three year contract with club, gets paid a signing on fee, and a wage of £X a year. - A year later, the club get an offer for the player, which they decide to accept. The let the player know of the proposal, and he discusses personal terms with the new club. They agree on terms, and the contract with the first club is ended, after a loyalty bonus is paid. The first club doesn't make any further payment to that player. - If the player doesn't agree terms because the buying club is offering lower wages, then the selling club either have to accept a smaller transfer fee, so that the buying club can afford to offer a better package, or they can 'top-up' the players wage, which I guess amounts to the same thing. - If the club decide not to accept an offer, but the player wants to go, then he can terminate the contract, forgoing the loyalty bonus he would have received. In this case, the player normally gets a larger signing on fee to compensate.

Vermaelen signs for Arsenal: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/ju...-vermaelen-ajax Any good?

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This used to be the early indicator: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/johnson Doesn't seem to work anymore - you used to get a different message for players that we had just signed, compared to putting in something random. Looks like the shirt name thing has replaced that 'clue'... One minute - has no-one else noticed the 'Silva TBC' on that same page?!?!?

From BBC Rumours: 1042 BST: Barcelona are to make a move for Liverpool keeper Pepe Reina after the Nou Camp club's talks with current number one Victor Valdes broke down. Full story: Daily Mail

yes the game is bigger than Sky - I'm no lover of Sky myself, but I'm also a realist, and the reality is that Sky have a lot of influence. Also I don't see how goal line cameras give Sky more ammunition - if anything, it gives them less ammunition, because they have one less thing to endlessly debate in their studios.

Sorry, don't agree with that. What undermines a referee's authority is when he gets a goal line call horribly wrong and for the next week his error is shown over Sky Sports News. If you introduce technology that ensures that there is one less thing that the referee can be wrong about, then that should relieve some of the pressure, and allow them to make better decisions in the rest of the game.

rather than having kaka twice, I would put in Essien. And what the piggin' hell is forlan doing in there? As much as I hate him, Rooney is twice the player Forlan is.

I would argue that a fundamental of the game is that a goal is given when the ball crosses the goalline between the posts. Don't see how implementing technology to ensure that fundamental is adhered changes the fundamentals of the game?

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Having a "discussion" with an Arsenal who reckons that Iniesta and Xavi are both better than Gerrard. Is there anyone here who feels that way, at least about Iniesta?

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Not for the squeamish!!! http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2599829/ The replay shown at around 0:58 is pretty horrific.

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number 6 - Phil Brown shurely?

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Kuyt Goals 3 in CL 8 in PL to add - PFA player of the year nominee Ryan Giggs: 1 in CL 1 in PL