Footy - 2018/19 & 19/20 & 20/21 etc

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

5 minutes ago, Gethin said:

Out 6-8 weeks apparently. We play them in 7 so he might be safe 

it's almost - almost - like we all predicted this when the draw was made

[Cam]

13 minutes ago, Gethin said:

Out 6-8 weeks apparently. We play them in 7 so he might be safe 

Haha, the absolute coward.

[Cheesecake]

Manchester United earned record financial revenue of £666m last year

 

So they are actually the devil. QED.

[Tommok]

Just now, Cheesecake said:

Manchester United earned record financial revenue of £666m last year

 

So they are actually the devil. QED.

How did they manage that? 

Are they selling yellow and green scarves at the club shop? 

[Cheesecake]

El Beeb says - the start of their five-year front-of-shirt sponsorship deal with Snapdragon enabled them to post record commercial revenue of £333.3m, while matchday revenue was also a record at £160.3m

 

.... so their fans are now paying more money than ever to watch that s***e.

2 minutes ago, Tommok said:

How did they manage that? 

Edited yesterday at 12:59 by Cheesecake

[Gethin]

You can tell it's Simon Stone writing that. 

Emphasises the only positive bit (commercial revenue going up) rather than on the club still running at a loss, only briefly touches on how f***ed they are by not having any European football.

This bit is funny 'cos he's comparing this year's Manc accounts with ours from last year. We'll almost certainly have overtaken them when ours for the same period are released early next year. 

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The Snapdragon deal has helped them leapfrog back above Liverpool in terms of commercial revenue.

The really juicy stuff about how much debt they're running is in the last paragraph. Taken on another £140m of outstanding transfer instalment debt then doubled down on that this summer - although that won't be reflected until next year's accounts. 

They're an absolute mess. 

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

12 minutes ago, Gethin said:

You can tell it's Simon Stone writing that. 

Emphasises the only positive bit (commercial revenue going up) rather than on the club still running at a loss, only briefly touches on how f***ed they are by not having any European football.

This bit is funny 'cos he's comparing this year's Manc accounts with ours from last year. We'll almost certainly have overtaken them when ours for the same period are released early next year. 

The really juicy stuff about how much debt they're running is in the last paragraph. Taken on another £140m of outstanding transfer instalment debt then doubled down on that this summer - although that won't be reflected until next year's accounts. 

They're an absolute mess. 

exactly

I don't know the ins & outs partly coz I'm not that interested but revenue may be 666m what are the wages as a % of that? What's the debt load, interest paid etc? 

If your revenue is 2/3bn and your wages are 90% of that (for example) you're in a spot of bother. Better have revenue of 200m and wages at 50%

[Gethin]

19 minutes ago, Sir Tokyo Sexwale said:

exactly

I don't know the ins & outs partly coz I'm not that interested but revenue may be 666m what are the wages as a % of that? What's the debt load, interest paid etc? 

If your revenue is 2/3bn and your wages are 90% of that (for example) you're in a spot of bother. Better have revenue of 200m and wages at 50%

Wages are down around £315m as the players have a 25% reduction if they're not in CL - so their wages to revenue is fine, it's the other stuff that makes them a mess. 

£470m debt from the leveraged takeover by the Glazers which isn't reducing and needs to be serviced 

£165m borrowing from their rolling credit facility 

Over £0.5bn owed on transfer instalments 

Any talk of building a new stadium whilst they have that level of debt is laughable, which is why they're so desperate to get it heavily subsidised. Can't and won't happen otherwise. 

[YugoB]

2 hours ago, Gethin said:

Out 6-8 weeks apparently. We play them in 7 so he might be safe 

He's become quite injury prone in the last 2 years 

[Tommok]

Don't Utd need to refund some of the sponsorship money because they didn't qualify for Europe 

[Cheesecake]

1 hour ago, YugoB said:

He's become quite injury prone in the last 2 years 

 

He's not injury prone, he just.... doesn't want to get destroyed at Anfield in a few weeks

 

[Gethin]

51 minutes ago, Tommok said:

Don't Utd need to refund some of the sponsorship money because they didn't qualify for Europe 

Probably not refund - but reckon there'll definitely be performance based elements of the commercial deals, so they won't get as much this season 'cos they're not in Europe 

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

2 hours ago, YugoB said:

He's become quite injury prone in the last 2 years 

18/19 season he missed 10 games 

19/20 - 2 games - sick

20/21 - 5 games - calf

21/22 - 5 - incl 1 with COVID

22/23 - 1 game

23/24 - 20 - mostly knee ligaments

24/25 - 8

tellingly though - in reverse order last season and on - 

4 - ankle injury
2 - hamstring
2 - hamstring
12 - knee ligaments
4 - knee ligaments 
4 - hamstring
1 - ankle
1 - hamstring
 

back to the end of 2022 - hamstring is featuring a lot

[smithdown]

10 men Cypriots are holding Olympiakos to nil nil and it’s driving them mad.  

[Chewie]

10 minutes ago, smithdown said:

10 men Cypriots are holding Olympiakos to nil nil and it’s driving them mad.  

Let by Gerard butler 

[Nebraska Red]

Ange does a Spurs as the Forest manager.

2-0 up to lose 3-2

[smithdown]

Great winning goal that by Swansea.  
 

Last minute donchaknow.  
 

Cheeky b*****ds.  

[Begbie]

19 hours ago, Gethin said:

You can tell it's Simon Stone writing that. 

Emphasises the only positive bit (commercial revenue going up) rather than on the club still running at a loss, only briefly touches on how f***ed they are by not having any European football.

This bit is funny 'cos he's comparing this year's Manc accounts with ours from last year. We'll almost certainly have overtaken them when ours for the same period are released early next year. 

The really juicy stuff about how much debt they're running is in the last paragraph. Taken on another £140m of outstanding transfer instalment debt then doubled down on that this summer - although that won't be reflected until next year's accounts. 

They're an absolute mess. 

It's definitely positive spin, although the revenue upside in isolation is a good result from them without Champions League, as you say it will be interesting next year with no Europe, let's see if they can continue to blag big sponsorship.

Another thing to note is that whilst their revenue remains high, it's pretty flat year on year for some time now, they'd definitely need to get back into the CL to meaningfully change this. Ours is on the increase,  Arsenal have seen a big jump

 

[McBain]

13 hours ago, Nebraska Red said:

Ange does a Spurs as the Forest manager.

2-0 up to lose 3-2

He made a big deal of saying he'd implement his ideas by Wednesday. It seems he has

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

7 hours ago, Begbie said:

It's definitely positive spin, although the revenue upside in isolation is a good result from them without Champions League, as you say it will be interesting next year with no Europe, let's see if they can continue to blag big sponsorship.

Another thing to note is that whilst their revenue remains high, it's pretty flat year on year for some time now, they'd definitely need to get back into the CL to meaningfully change this. Ours is on the increase,  Arsenal have seen a big jump

 

already their chances of being in any European competition next season are probably no better than 50/50

[Gethin]

55 minutes ago, Sir Tokyo Sexwale said:

already their chances of being in any European competition next season are probably no better than 50/50

Best chance is probably a run in the League C.....

Oh. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Gethin

[Nebraska Red]

23 minutes ago, Gethin said:

Best chance is probably a run in the League C.....

Oh. 

That's cruel.

[Gethin]

10 minutes ago, Nebraska Red said:

That's cruel.

Yes. Yes it is.