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There has to be question marks about all five though. Isak is yet to do anything for us. And in a team featuring non-contributors like Wirtz & Barcola is something we cannot afford. Bradley & Ekitike may never be the same again and may not be of the quality we require anyway (but have at least demonstrated some really good stuff). And we've all been sick of Gakpo & Szoboszlai at times. Do the five make us stronger than yesterday? Yes. But are they of the quality to get us back on top? Maybe not.

Oh I largely agree. I was just pointing out that sometimes a different type of manager can do something different with a player, or at least have more chance of doing so. Buying him at the time we did was a DoF error and shows why the manager should be the one calling the tune. Not some suit with a "Head of Footballing Strategy" badge or a need to sign someone, anyone, just to look busy.

Klopp would get a tune out of him here. Harry Redknapp would. Venables. Keegan. Maybe Bobby Robson. Even Bolton-era Allardyce. If Wirtz has talent then it's about unlocking it.

Brentford is more important: Mamardashvili Frimpong Gomez Virgil Tsimikas Gravenberch Nyoni Ngumoha Wirtz Barcola Koumas

Good choice - definitely no cheating or corruption there.

Saw thousands of those faces today.

They positively revelled in the Cheats tag today so let's hear no more of "their fans haven't done anything wrong". They knew. They've condoned it. They're proud of it.

If Grav hadn't held on to the ball too long in attacking situations we'd be 3 or 4 up. Admittedly that isn't scientifically proven. But to move on from Slotball we need to move on from Grav.

A real dearth of quality in our front four.

The pre-match atmosphere is better than for quite some time. Most people in much earlier than usual too. Can't hear the City team news. That's not happened for years.

Does he not know that the guil... Nope, utterly redundant typing beyond the word "know".

Their bench is probably just as uninspiring.

Manchester City team vs Liverpool: Lance Armstrong Ben Johnson Nelson Piquet Jnr Hansie Cronje Deflategate Tonya Harding Chicago White Sox Juventus Milli Vanilli Ali Dia Major Charles Ingram Manager: London Bridge

T'wireless says Araujo may be out too.

So we're looking at? Allison, Araujo, Jacquet, Virgil, Kerkez, Grav, Nyoni, Ngumoha, Wirtz, Munoz, Barcola The only realistic options are Frimpong, Tsimikas, Endo, McConnell, Chiesa and Koumas. Not great.