Nail hit squarely on head!

[Wardy]

I was quite surprised we played 4-4-2 at Arsenal, considering we'd lost our best defensive midfielder, given that in the early days Benitez seemed to favour the 4-3-3/4-5-1 system even when we didn't have the wingers. Now we have got the wingers I'd give it another go, especially away from home - couldn't do any worse.

 

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[Romario]

I was quite surprised we played 4-4-2 at Arsenal, considering we'd lost our best defensive midfielder, given that in the early days Benitez seemed to favour the 4-3-3/4-5-1 system even when we didn't have the wingers. Now we have got the wingers I'd give it another go, especially away from home - couldn't do any worse.

 

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Problem is we create zero away from home with 2 strikers as it is. I think if Gerrard and the wide players (speedy and Pennant) were on form and firing then a 4-5-1 would work but we're currently getting nothing from midfield. Quite the reverse of last year.

 

Against Arsenal we just couldn't hold onto the ball 30 yards from their goal. Can't see how that would change with one less up front. I've no answers as to what's gone wrong at all but I hope Rafa does..

[Andy @ Allerton]

Problem is we create zero away from home with 2 strikers as it is. I think if Gerrard and the wide players (speedy and Pennant) were on form and firing then a 4-5-1 would work but we're currently getting nothing from midfield. Quite the reverse of last year.

 

Against Arsenal we just couldn't hold onto the ball 30 yards from their goal. Can't see how that would change with one less up front. I've no answers as to what's gone wrong at all but I hope Rafa does..

 

So Sky and the BBC are lying about the shots on goal/target stats then?

[Huyton_Red]

Nah - 4-4-2 is our best system by far

 

Agger needs to be brought in for Hyppia, that needs to happen now.

 

The full backs, finnan and riise also need to be allowed to get forward more.

 

That is what we can do in the short term, in the long term sissoko and kewell back into the midfield gives us the perfectly balanced midfield that was so effective for the lats 7 months of last season. Kewell never gets mentioned but its nice to see rafa talking about him today, we have missed him a lot on the left, he offered us balance and was one of our best players for the second half of last season

 

The article makes good points though about key players letting us down

[Romario]

So Sky and the BBC are lying about the shots on goal/target stats then?

Shots from 35 yards out that the goalie can chest down don't count in my book. Zero goals away from home all season from open play. That's a stat hard to argue with.

 

Our best team for the future when all are fit for me is

 

-----------Reina

Finnan--Carra--Agger--Riise

-------Alonso--Sissoko

Gerrard----------------Kewell

----------Kuyt--Crouch

 

Subs> Bellamy--Garcia--Hyypia--Pennant--Dudek

Edited November 15, 2006 by Romario

[AJ The Red]

Shots on goal mean nothing , half our shots are from 30 yds with little chance of scoring.We still get stats for it.

 

We just arnt breaking through teams our movement at the moment is absoltue pants,Pass and move shouldnt be hard but we are pass ,stand and watch.Noone wants to make things happen.

[Wardy]

I agree with it almost entirely.

 

I'd play 4-3-3-/4-5-1 away 4-4-2 at home, especially while we're missing Momo and bring Agger in as soon as possible.

[Huyton_Red]

Shots from 35 yards out that the goalie can chest down don't count in my book. Zero goals away from home all season from open play. That's a stat hard to argue with.

 

Our best team for the future when all are fit for me is

 

-----------Reina

Finnan--Carra--Agger--Riise

-------Alonso--Sissoko

Gerrard----------------Kewell

----------Kuyt--Crouch

 

Subs> Bellamy--Garcia--Hyypia--Pennant--Dudek

 

No pace in that team

 

If bellamy cant cut the mustard we need a striker with pace to play with Kuyt, especially if you play gerrard and kewell wide

[Guest ziggystardust]

in reality all this talk means nothing we are sh!!te at best, i was going to say id give my season ticket up but we actually win our home games.

 

our midfield is so unbalanced its unreal.

Edited November 15, 2006 by ziggystardust

[Eskimo]

Mentioned that I'd like to see a 4-5-1 formation in another thread and personally I think it would work both home and away. The main issue for me is finding the right balance in midfield, IMO both Stevie and Xabi need to play the advanced roles with Momo as the sitter (Makalele role) of the inverted triangle. This would free up Stevie enabling him to make runs into the box and or shoot from a more central position, what he's best at. It would allow Xabi to push up, for me he he's at his best 35 yard out, and there aren't many better at breaking up play than Momo.

 

I think it would also benefit our wide players as the oppo's defence would be more preoccupied with breaks from CM, Stevie and Xabi, resulting in them having more time and space..

[IgPig]

Not a bad shout that, might allow Xabi more space to play in. His poorest games come when he is man marked. More time on the ball = more accurate passing.

Edited November 15, 2006 by Post Kuytal Glow

[owenthomas]

in reality all this talk means nothing we are sh!!te at best, i was going to say id give my season ticket up but we actually win our home games.

that's pathetic, absolutely pathetic.. one of, if not THE, most embarrassing statements i've ever read and that takes some doing..

[honourablegeorge]

Mentioned that I'd like to see a 4-5-1 formation in another thread and personally I think it would work both home and away. The main issue for me is finding the right balance in midfield, IMO both Stevie and Xabi need to play the advanced roles with Momo as the sitter (Makalele role) of the inverted triangle. This would free up Stevie enabling him to make runs into the box and or shoot from a more central position, what he's best at. It would allow Xabi to push up, for me he he's at his best 35 yard out, and there aren't many better at breaking up play than Momo.

 

I think it would also benefit our wide players as the oppo's defence would be more preoccupied with breaks from CM, Stevie and Xabi, resulting in them having more time and space..

 

 

 

I liekd the 3-5-2 we played away to Newcastle last year, we looked great.

 

And now we have Agger instread of Traore, and whatever two we have up front is also better.

[badtodabone]

i was going to say id give my season ticket up

 

can i be the first to say ill take it if you do

[anny road]

in reality all this talk means nothing we are sh!!te at best, i was going to say id give my season ticket up but we actually win our home games.

 

our midfield is so unbalanced its unreal.

 

 

so I am being stalked by a complete tool

 

nice

[Guest ziggystardust]

can i be the first to say ill take it if you do

 

when we start losing our home games, which will be very soon, ill give you a shout.

 

TBH im sick of all the false dawns we have had at this club since 1989/1990.

[anny road]

jesus christ

 

we have major problems if this is how we are going

 

spoilt c****

Edited November 15, 2006 by anny road

[Bootle Buck]

Our midfield and especially the wide men are creating very little. The likes of Gonzalez and Pennant and even Gerrard when he's out there, need to be constantly taking people on to provide crosses for our forwards in the box. Instead we play the ball in little trianges in the middle of the park without going anywhere. This results in the ball constantly being played back to Sami and Carra who have nothing else on but to pump the ball forward. Our strikers spend far too much time with their backs to the goal and 25 yards out. If our FB's are not going to venture past the half way line away from home then the wide midfielders need to show more confidence and bravery in taking their full backs on more.

[Falconhoof]

in reality all this talk means nothing we are sh!!te at best, i was going to say id give my season ticket up but we actually win our home games.

 

 

I'll give you double price for it.

 

and don't trust Gobez, he told me he thinks you are a tosser. I told him to f*** off.

Edited November 15, 2006 by Cardinal Fang

[Rich Gobey]

when we start losing our home games, which will be very soon, ill give you a shout.

 

TBH im sick of all the false dawns we have had at this club since 1989/1990.

 

I think you're a bit hard done by on here. You make reasonable points only to be shot down by bullies and superfans.

 

Can I have your season ticket please?

[Wardy]

Our midfield and especially the wide men are creating very little. The likes of Gonzalez and Pennant and even Gerrard when he's out there, need to be constantly taking people on to provide crosses for our forwards in the box. Instead we play the ball in little trianges in the middle of the park without going anywhere. This results in the ball constantly being played back to Sami and Carra who have nothing else on but to pump the ball forward. Our strikers spend far too much time with their backs to the goal and 25 yards out. If our FB's are not going to venture past the half way line away from home then the wide midfielders need to show more confidence and bravery in taking their full backs on more.

 

Which is one of the reasons I think this is a good idea, it gives the wide players more licence.

[anny road]

anyone who is considering giving there season ticket up because we are losing a few games should be encouraged to do so.....

 

I was speaking to my dad last night, and he watched us in the second division......talking to a mate this morning who followed City through thick and thin, 3rd division, gillingham and all that

 

And some are throwing the towel in because we are struggling a little

 

fiar does if thats what they want to do, but they are not supporters and shouldnt pretend to be so

 

Also, if they do they forego the right to come back when things are rosey in the garden again

Edited November 15, 2006 by anny road

[psl]

anyone who is considering giving there season ticket up because we are losing a few games should be encouraged to do so.....

 

I was speaking to my dad last night, and he watched us in the second division......talking to a mate this morning who followed City through thick and thin, 3rd division, gillingham and all that

 

And some are throwing the towel in because we are struggling a little

 

fiar does if thats what they want to do, but they are not supporters and shouldnt pretend to be so

 

Also, if they do they forego the right to come back when things are rosey in the garden again

 

Spot on that. Liverpool fans have had more to cheer in terms of trophies than any other team, and that covers both recent and overall history. Anyone who starts to bitch when we lose a few games really is a spoiled b*****d. When you think of what fans of other clubs put up with, how long they go without trophies (if they ever win one), how many games they lose, how rarely they get an exciting signing, we have more than anyone to be grateful for.

[Siang]

anyone who is considering giving there season ticket up because we are losing a few games should be encouraged to do so.....

 

I was speaking to my dad last night, and he watched us in the second division......talking to a mate this morning who followed City through thick and thin, 3rd division, gillingham and all that

 

And some are throwing the towel in because we are struggling a little

 

fiar does if thats what they want to do, but they are not supporters and shouldnt pretend to be so

 

Also, if they do they forego the right to come back when things are rosey in the garden again

 

this happens a lot in Kuala Lumpur, Anny...

 

it does my head in when i tried explaining to them that slagging the team is ok as it is within our right to do so...but to give up entirely and then come back again when things are rosy again, it's just not on...

 

i know a fair percentage that switched their telly off during the CL Final and last yr's FA Cup at half time and only to come complaining to me that they missed a great game!!! Such s*ds are just not welcome but it's a free world out there...

 

[downunder]

this happens a lot in Kuala Lumpur, Anny...

 

it does my head in when i tried explaining to them that slagging the team is ok as it is within our right to do so...but to give up entirely and then come back again when things are rosy again, it's just not on...

 

i know a fair percentage that switched their telly off during the CL Final and last yr's FA Cup at half time and only to come complaining to me that they missed a great game!!! Such s*ds are just not welcome but it's a free world out there...

 

 

 

You agree with Anny and so do I , Kev wont be happy (read Kewell thread for clarification!!!)