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Andy @ Allerton

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  1. I'm going with the theory that the LHC pushed us into an alternate reality. Nothing else makes any sense whatsoever.
  2. Get well soon mate. Hopefully be buying you a pint at the KC before too long
  3. With what? Automobile that is being obsessed over wasn't part of the US->UK and UK->US creeping language anyway.
  4. In the context of the original post, my point was I'd heard it in some 80s and 90s films and that I haven't noticed it being used recently. But Automobile is just one of the words noticed. It's interesting that was the one picked up, however, as that was away from the original post that hasn't transferred. I doubt Automobile will ever become generally used in the UK - but I suspect that some other American words would be
  5. Interesting one. How American was Ford really given he was first generation. His father, William Ford (1826–1905), was born in County Cork, Ireland, to a family that was originally from Somerset, England. (WIKIPEDIA) I can't find any cases where he used 'Automobile' (Though perhaps he did and I can't find it) After what generation did 'The American Language' kick in? You'd imagine that back then people like Ford would have been taught by family or people brought in to teach? Where did they come from? As mentioned earlier, Automobile came from the French description, but Ford was of Irish/English descent.
  6. Yes. Generally used in British English, but I've heard that used a couple of times in American TV and Films.
  7. I think the point is that language is and always has been mutable. The increasing globalisation (or globalization if you prefer) of media will eventually ensure that all languages will interact and evolve.
  8. I think you need to provide more evidence. When you say there has been no change, you think, then, that car has always been used from the off in the US and that automobile has never been in general usage? In programmes from the 50s and 60s and maybe 70s I'm pretty sure I've heard "Automobile" a fair bit. A few times in the 80s and 90s and nowdays it's a pretty rare thing to hear. That says to me that there does seem to have been a slight shift in language. Where did 'car' come from? Was it re-invented by the Americans or did it appear due to British films and Brits moving to and living in America?
  9. Indeed. But he also said Automobile. Your original suggestion is that there were no 80s or 90s films that did. I've heard 'Car' used as well plenty of times in American films. I've never heard a British person in a film say 'Automobile' unless they are quoting a name.. More for you as well Cars (2006) "Fillmore: You know, some automotive yoga could really lower your RPMs, man." Sixteen Candles (1984) "Dong. Where is my automobile?" Shawshank Redemption (1994) "I can't believe how fast things move on the outside. I saw an automobile once when I was a kid, but now they're everywhere." Pulp Fiction (1994) "What's more chickens*** than f***ing with a man's automobile? I mean, don't f*** with another man's vehicle." The Big Lewinsky "We've recovered your vehicle. It can be claimed at the North Hollywood Auto Circus there on Victory." My Cousin Vinny (1992) "Out of work hairdresser. Now, in what way does that qualify you as an expert in automobiles." "You're Honor, Miss Vito's expertise is in general automotive knowledge" "Alright, alright. Now, Miss Vito, being an expert on general automotive knowledge" Also - if you read film scripts, many references to cars are actually referred to as Automobiles. Far, far too many to list. But google is your friend.
  10. Trains, Plane and Automobiles (1987) Uses it in the script as well "Then give me a f***ing automobile." Used Cars (1980) "Shall we examine the capacious interior of this luxury automobile?" "Now, son, you're looking at one of the finest automobiles on this lot." "Behind me is the automobile business at its absolute worst." "This is roy l. Fuchs, pre-owned automobiles." Vacation (1983) "This is the new Wagonqueen Family Truckster. This is a fine automobile" "this is the automobile you should be using." "This is your automobile" "And he, he shouldn't even have a license to drive an automobile. He should be behind bars!" Ferris Buellers Day Off (1986) "A man with such priorities doesn't deserve this fine automobile" For instance
  11. It's interesting as well that a definition of car (From the free dictionary) has it's first definition as.. car (kär) n. 1. An automobile. 2. A vehicle, such as a streetcar, that runs on rails: a railroad car. 3. A boxlike enclosure for passengers and freight on a conveyance: an elevator car. 4. The part of a balloon or airship that carries people and cargo. 5. Archaic A chariot, carriage, or cart. And car (k??) n 1. (Automotive Engineering) a. Also called: motorcar or automobile a self-propelled road vehicle designed to carry passengers, esp one with four wheels that is powered by an internal-combustion engine b. (as modifier): car coat. 2. a conveyance for passengers, freight, etc, such as a cable car or the carrier of an airship or balloon 3. (Railways) Brit a railway vehicle for passengers only, such as a sleeping car or buffet car 4. (Railways) US and Canadian a railway carriage or van 5. US the enclosed platform of a lift 6. a poetic word for chariot A few American dictionaries I've had a look at mention Auto and Automobile as their first entries. The English ones (Oxford for instance) doesn't mention Auto or Automobile at all Definition of car in English: NOUN 1A road vehicle, typically with four wheels, powered by an internal-combustion engine and able to carry a small number of people: we’re going by car [AS MODIFIER]: a car crash MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES SYNONYMS 1.1A railway carriage or (North American ) wagon: the first-class cars MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES SYNONYMS 1.2The passenger compartment of a lift, cableway, or balloon: he was in the lift when the car stuck MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES 1.3 literary A chariot. MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES Origin late middle english (in the general sense 'wheeled vehicle'): from Old Northern French carre, based on Latin carrum, carrus, of Celtic origin.
  12. Not thesedays, which is kind of the point. I'm going off American TV shows and Films where the word Automobile has been used, certainly 80s and 90s films. Not often you hear it nowdays. Maybe it was never used by Americans in casual conversation. It's interesting that the original word came from the French 1865-70; adj. 1883, in reference to electric traction cars, from French automobile (adj.), 1861, a hybrid from Greek autos "self" (see auto- ) + French mobile "moving," from Latin mobilis "movable" (see mobile (adj.)). n. "self-propelled motor vehicle," 1895, from French automobile, short for véhicule automobile (see automobile (adj.)). The modern Greek calls it autokineto "moved of itself." The French word had competition in the early years from locomobile ; in English other early forms were motorcar and autocar. There are several European and American companies that use Auto or automobile in their advertising even today. It's not a rare word - if someone said Auto or Automobile to you, referencing a car, then I doubt you'd evidence confusion about what it meant.
  13. This still is going on and I've noticed not just one way - there are some English words (cars for instance) that are making their way over there. You might argue that some Americans have used 'Car' to denote an 'Automobile' for years but usually when mentioned I heard Automobile or Auto used - whereas I've heard several instances where I've heard a few English words on American shows - proof that words are going back and forth or that the writer is English (or American) Are there any English words that you use in America that are 'new' (There used to be an American version and you use the English one) - if you're American (And not an ex-pat) and are there any American words you use in Britain (and also aren't ex-US) There are some pretty obvious ones - heard many British people using 'Guy' or 'Guys' to denote a person or a group of people of either sex. I've also heard 'Elevator' when people are talking about a lift. And, as mentioned, I've heard Car used more in American series' where a decade back you wouldn't hear it (or I didn't notice it) Any other examples of words going back and forth that are in 'normal' use over what might have been used previously?
  14. You can still laugh at them. They still expect to win the league and expect to be regarded as the best team in the land.
  15. Ah. But have you tried to beat Stoke on a wet and windy Tuesday night in the rain?
  16. Liverpool has 'traditionally' been a club that has started very slowly. I'd say judge the man across the whole season. We still are in all competitions and within touching distance of fourth. As I said, not sure panicking is going to help the club much. We've made the choice of manager and he's made the choice of players he believes will fit his system in time. It all really comes down to time. After such a great season last season, it seems churlish to bin the man after just one bad season in charge because expectations are unrealistic and through the roof.
  17. I honestly think that if we bin Rodgers after 10 games then we can kiss goodbye to challenging for anything for the forseeable future. The competition is too strong and the clubs around us would rub their hands in glee as more instability wrecks the club.
  18. You might be right. I simply choose to try and be positive. I might be talking s**** and I might be deluded. But I've been patient for long enough to give Rodgers a chance and I've been patient for long enough to see that some players might be struggling with a club the size of Liverpool and some simply aren't old or experienced enough. It's certainly possible that they aren't good enough and it's possible that they never will be. But they might. I've seen flashes of brilliance from some of them and I doubt there are many people after last season that would have argued against building a squad for the club. All these things can certainly be a gamble. There are no guarantees and there is a lot of competion at the top.
  19. You've (presumably) been watching LFC for decades. We've got close here and there but to think (That some loons seemed to) that after one season of astonishing success - we'd just automatically continue it and win the league and 'Champions' League at a canter when we had to install a squad - is just really surreal. I've seen many false dawns for well over two decades and I've seen progress and regression. We have no automatic God-given right to be up there and at the top - we've lost that right over two decades of not being the top team in the land and slipping out of Europe and off the pitch issues such as nearly going bankrupt and having frauds wreck the club. But. Despite all that - we seem to have made some progress and overall you can see bits and bobs that are OK. Yes we're going on a duff run. Yes we need to improve. Yes the manager needs to learn and do better. Yes the players need to learn and do better. But we have these players here and the main thing they need is time. Time is the important thing because it requires patience and that patience needs support. Lots of work to do. Things possibly going to get worse before they improve. May well even drop out of the top four. But the important thing is what happens in the next 5 or 10 years. Not a single season. I'm just trying to look long term and trying to see the positives. Age isn't the only important thing which is why age and experience are important. Also the positions a player is in - age is also an asset because that brings experience. Personally I don't think playing a few seasons for a club like Southampton means that a player is automatically able to do a job at a massive club like Liverpool instantly. Unless you're saying that Southampton and Liverpool are pretty much the same as each other - in which case I can understand your point of view - but dont' agree with it. I think we're still a 'big club' and I think some players have been caught in the spotlights a bit with the exposure and expectation placed on them.
  20. Totally disagree. There may be some slightly older players - but they are new to the squad and lack the required experience at this level and playing for a club like Liverpool. We have several new players. Some of them are young. All of them need to gel and many have got stuff to learn before they will be firing 100% for the club. We've seen time and again just one player coming into a settled system and struggling. We've changed everything - possibly too quickly - and now people are demanding that a load of disparate players will little to no experience will magically gel and be the finished article. Maybe on Football Manager. But not in real life. Additionally, the manager, although he did very well last season - has little to no experience in some of the competitions that he's managing in - again - he's young and that experience and that learning will take time. It's not magic and it's not instant. Be more pain before we gain - but if you're building for the long run then that's what has to happen. He could have just gone out with a quick fix and got a s*** load of 'established' names and maybe that would have brought instant success - but as we've seen with other clubs that haven't got unlimited money - that short term gain doesn't translate to a lasting legacy. We need to build and we need it to be long term.
  21. If one of the obvious pennos had been given then we would have at least got one.
  22. What don't you agree with? Real and Chelsea are class teams. We have loads of new signings. We've gone from a team to a squad. Many are young and inexperienced and many have great potential if they can learn and improve. The team will benefit once everyone starts to gel. And we might have to move some players on. What bits of that aren't factual?
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