I've been thinking that Carra might do this for a while, purely because if I was in the same position I would have told them where to go ages ago. While not necessarily agreeing I can see the logic that Terry and Carra are too similar to play together, but for Carra not to be the automatic choice when Terry is absent is gobsmacking. If the CL is considered to be the benchmark to judge a players standards before getting in the England team (and most players under Sven for example were from the top 4 clubs) how can a player who has proven to be in the top 3 centrebacks in Europe in the last 3 years not be picked? And when he does it is out of position eg at full back which was never his strongest position and hasn't played there regularly for nearly 4 years! Treated like a dog As for England, I've never had the same enjoyment/affinity watching them as I do Liverpool. I remember being in the pub 10 (?) years ago for the England-Scotland game and getting strange looks when I refused to celebrate Scholes' two goals because he was a Manc. Even for Mexico 86 I was going to support Scotland until what happened with Hansen and Dalglish - and I was only 9 then! [and no I'm not a closet Scot - those are just the first two examples that came to mind]