Orur Academy - How many?

[honourablegeorge]

MOTD just quoted 48 players that have gone from Arsenal's academy to the first team.

 

 

Just curious - when was our academy set up, and how many players have come through?

 

Suspect Arsenal's 48 include a lot of Fabregases and the like - from other teams

[Epic Swindle]

How many have Arsenal actually produced themselves? Wilshire?

[kenny7]

How many have Arsenal actually produced themselves? Wilshire?

 

Bought, weren't we in for him?

[Epic Swindle]

That was Ramsey I think.

[honourablegeorge]

How many have Arsenal actually produced themselves? Wilshire?

 

 

Yeah, I suspect the 48 is a bulls*** statistic - nicking a 16 year old Fabregas from Barca and sticking him in the academy from six months shouldn't count.

 

But I'm curious about ours, and how many - we could probably count the likes of Insua, but we have plenty of genuine ones.

Edited August 20, 2011 by honourablegeorge

[Atticus Finch]

They said 48 had played in the first team - in which case we can include the likes of darren potter in any count of ours. Its a stupid stat to make a fuss over - its no indication of quality and as others have said most of arsenals were bought in aged 15 or 16

[Cam]

And they've used theirs in the Carling Cup - many have disappeared.

 

Pointless stat but they have brought through some cracking youngsters, bought or not. But have they had a Fowler or Owen?

[Billy Dane]

They might have bought through 48 players but they've still won f*** all for 6 years.

[RafaShanks]

Stuff like this really winds me up. They haven't produced any of their own. They've just poached a s***load from other teams.

[Kahnee]

Stuff like this really winds me up. They haven't produced any of their own. They've just poached a s***load from other teams.

 

A model all the other top clubs are copying. Including us.

[RafaShanks]

A model all the other top clubs are copying. Including us.

 

I know, but because it's Arsenal, the media have their usual w***fest over them.

 

And how many over the years have broke through? Can't think of that many of their current ones that I would want here apart from Wilshere.

[growler]

Ashley Cole is another but even he was not expected to make it with wenger sending him on loan with intent to sell.

 

Also, looking at the arsenal kids, how many would you actually want? I don't see any that I think, yep want him.

 

They are a team with no soul. Lucky for them they have wilshire. Once wenger goes I can see it all collapsing. There is no loyalty or culture.

[Sion]

Ashley Cole is another but even he was not expected to make it with wenger sending him on loan with intent to sell.

 

Also, looking at the arsenal kids, how many would you actually want? I don't see any that I think, yep want him.

 

They are a team with no soul. Lucky for them they have wilshire. Once wenger goes I can see it all collapsing. There is no loyalty or culture.

 

Wenger is the one dragging them down. A new manager would spend.

[Raj]

The facts -

 

Academy graduates, in order of first-team debut Apps (goals) Debut

Ashley Cole 228 (9) 30/11/99 v Middlesbrough

Jermaine Pennant 26 (3) 30/11/99 v Middlesbrough

Rhys Weston 3 30/11/99 v Middlesbrough

Graham Barrett 3 4/12/99 v Leicester City

Moritz Volz 2 1/11/2000 v Ipswich Town

John Halls 3 5/11/01 v Manchester United

Carlin Itonga 1 5/11/01 v Manchester United

Rohan Ricketts 1 5/11/01 v Manchester United

Jeremie Aliadiere 51 (9) 27/11/01 v Grimsby Town

Ryan Garry 2 6/11/02 v Sunderland

David Bentley 9 (1) 4/1/03 v Oxford United

Justin Hoyte 68 (1) 7/5/03 v Southampton

Cesc Fabregas 303 (57) 28/10/03 v Rotherham United

Quincy Owusu-Abeyie 23 (2) 28/10/03 v Rotherham United

Ryan Smith 6 28/10/03 v Rotherham United

John Spicer 1 28/10/03 v Rotherham United

Graham Stack 5 28/10/03 v Rotherham United

Jerome Thomas 3 28/10/03 v Rotherham United

Johan Djourou 116 (1) 27/10/04 v Manchester City

Sebastian Larsson 12 27/10/04 v Manchester City

Arturo Lupoli 9 27/10/04 v Manchester City

Patrick Cregg 3 9/11/04 v Everton

Nicklas Bendtner 156 (45) 25/10/05 v Sunderland

Fabrice Muamba 2 25/10/05 v Sunderland

Anthony Stokes 1 25/10/05 v Sunderland

Kerrea Gilbert 12 29/11/05 v Reading

Matthew Connolly 2 24/10/06 v West Bromwich Albion

Mark Randall 13 24/10/06 v West Bromwich Albion

Armand Traore 30 24/10/06 v West Bromwich Albion

Fran Merida 16 (2) 25/9/07 v Newcastle United

Nacer Barazite 3 31/10/07 v Sheffield United

Kieran Gibbs 51 31/10/07 v Sheffield United

Henri Lansbury 6 (1) 31/10/07 v Sheffield United

Jack Wilshere 64 (3) 13/9/08 v Blackburn Rovers

Gavin Hoyte 4 23/9/08 v Sheffield United

Jay Simpson 3 (2) 23/9/08 v Sheffield United

Rui Fonte 1 8/11/08 v Wigan Athletic

Paul Rodgers 1 2/12/08 v Burnley

Wojciech Szczesny 26 22/9/09 v West Bromwich Albion

Gilles Sunu 2 22/9/09 v West Bromwich Albion

Sanchez Watt 3 (1) 22/9/09 v West Bromwich Albion

Craig Eastmond 10 28/10/09 v Liverpool

Kyle Bartley 1 9/12/09 v Olympiacos

Thomas Cruise 1 9/12/09 v Olympiacos

Jay Emmanuel-Thomas 5 24/1/10 v Stoke City

Ignasi Miquel 2 20/2/11 v Leyton Orient

Conor Henderson 1 2/3/11 v Leyton Orient

Emmanuel Frimpong 1 13/8/11 v Newcastle

 

Taken from an arsenal site. cant be arsed to format it.

They've done ok, but I reckon that there are other teams who have had far greater success in that area

Edited August 22, 2011 by Cletus Van Damme

[Cheesecake]

so players that turned into 'good players for a top club' amongst that lot are Cole and Fabregas, and probably Wilshere. 3 players and Cole was back in 1999

 

Since then we have produced a number of players who have gone on to play for other PL clubs but how many would you class as being good enough for a top club in that time? Owen, Carragher are eons ago as is Gerrard, maybe Kelly & Spearing are the best of the bunch in recent years potentially along with our 2 young full backs Flannagan and Robinson, or am I forgetting someone? Danny Ayala may yet make it at PL level but beyond that I'm struggling to think of others. Just like the Arsenal list, there are a lot of so-so performers in there who might have a steady career in the Championship or League 1...

Edited August 22, 2011 by DPD1973

[schmuckdonald]

Difference is Arsenal have been able to supplement their squad with academy products, whereas we've had to fill it with wage chuggers like Degen and Poulsen. A lot of teams follow a similar model to what Arsenal use: Ajax, Palermo (to a certain extent) and Udinese being good examples, but they do it to make a profit on the players and to remain sustainable, whereas Wenger thinks that he can win titles with it. Sadly for them, they're not the only club with a good scouting network, academy and that play pretty football anymore. Just being able to fill the squad with young lads will make a big difference to our ability to compete at the top end, and as such can see 4/5 of the current generation making the step up.

 

The whole reason United have been able to remain so succesful is their ability to have a strong squad filled with players who can do their job. Flanagan et al are players who can do the same for us.

Edited August 22, 2011 by schmuckdonald