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growler

growler

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Apparantly, lil' luis is available on a short term loan, and been offrered to boro, spurs etc. Surely we should nab him. He's free, he knows te club and players, and would provide extra legs in the 2nd half.

 

(story in the mail though)

Chili Palmer

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can't see where he'd fit in the new system to be honest. not really a winger and not as good a link forward as gerrard or keane. still love him like.

 

 

actually think he would have fitted in to the 4 2 3 1 system perfectly as one of the 3, good creativity, works hard and scores goals. granted that was a few years ago, don't think he plays at the level he did for us now days tho.

kop205

kop205

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I genuinely don't see where this mass love of Garcia comes from

 

I genuinely don't see why there are people who are still so churlish about him.

 

Was he a true great? No.

 

Would I have him back now? No.

 

Would we have won either of the major trophies that Rafa has won without him? No (well, maybe one of them - the other is inarguable).

 

For all his faults, he was absolutely invaluable in that team at that time.

Bigal

Bigal

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I genuinely don't see why there are people who are still so churlish about him.

 

Was he a true great? No.

 

Would I have him back now? No.

 

Would we have won either of the major trophies that Rafa has won without him? No (well, maybe one of them - the other is inarguable).

 

For all his faults, he was absolutely invaluable in that team at that time.

 

I don’t doubt that in the lead up to Istanbul he was invaluable, less so in the FA cup run. But that doesnt mean we should get him back either, thats not churlish, he isnt what we need.

 

Its like the Gary Mac thing, people climbing over themselves to get him in the coaching set up cos if the treble year, I think the coaches are just fine at the moment.

 

I just don’t get it.

kop205

kop205

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I don’t doubt that in the lead up to Istanbul he was invaluable, less so in the FA cup run. But that doesnt mean we should get him back either, thats not churlish, he isnt what we need.

 

Its like the Gary Mac thing, people climbing over themselves to get him in the coaching set up cos if the treble year, I think the coaches are just fine at the moment.

 

I just don’t get it.

 

I know that you said we shouldn't get him back, and I said the same myself.

 

To say that you 'don't understand where the mass love comes from' is, in my mind, extremely churlish.

 

Was Joey Jones a great player? No, to be honest he was average at best - but he will always remembered with affection because for many he will be foerever associated with the greatest night of their lives and the same is true of Garcia (though he was actually a far bigger influence on making that second great night possible than Jones was on the first).

 

I agree that there is no point bringing him back, Gary Mac too. That doesn't mean that his deeds wheilst he was here should be glossed over by making it out to be some sort of big mystery why people remember him so fondly.

Bigal

Bigal

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I know that you said we shouldn't get him back, and I said the same myself.

 

To say that you 'don't understand where the mass love comes from' is, in my mind, extremely churlish.

 

Was Joey Jones a great player? No, to be honest he was average at best - but he will always remembered with affection because for many he will be foerever associated with the greatest night of their lives and the same is true of Garcia (though he was actually a far bigger influence on making that second great night possible than Jones was on the first).

 

I agree that there is no point bringing him back, Gary Mac too. That doesn't mean that his deeds wheilst he was here should be glossed over by making it out to be some sort of big mystery why people remember him so fondly.

 

Maybe you are right I am being churlish, I dont remember this love for Garcia when he played for us, thats all

kop205

kop205

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Maybe you are right I am being churlish, I dont remember this love for Garcia when he played for us, thats all

 

I think there was because I think he always polarised opinion amongst people.

 

I always liked him whilst being able to understand why he pissed some people off.

 

I've no issue with people not wanting him back, I don't either. I just think it is a shame that even after he's gone there are people still mystified by his popularity and unable to see why he was so loved by some.

 

Like the Joey Jones example from before, if someone pointed out how average he was and why the f*** did he have a banner made for him then they could rightly be accused of churlishness. It wouldn't mean they were wrong about his qualities as a player, just that they were missing the picture. In some ways, I think the same happens with Garcia (though as I've alrfeady said, he contributed far more than Jones ever did as a player in my opinion).

Stevie H

Stevie H

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Maybe you are right I am being churlish, I dont remember this love for Garcia when he played for us, thats all

he could be infuriating at times but he never hid and really showed up in big games. i can understand why he was a cult hero.

David Hodgson

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he could be infuriating at times but he never hid and really showed up in big games. i can understand why he was a cult hero.

 

He had some legendary moments but he certainly did go missing in far too many routine league games for me.

 

Of their ilk, I far prefer Smicer and Benayoun to Garcia.

Bigal

Bigal

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I think there was because I think he always polarised opinion amongst people.

 

I always liked him whilst being able to understand why he pissed some people off.

 

I've no issue with people not wanting him back, I don't either. I just think it is a shame that even after he's gone there are people still mystified by his popularity and unable to see why he was so loved by some.

 

Like the Joey Jones example from before, if someone pointed out how average he was and why the f*** did he have a banner made for him then they could rightly be accused of churlishness. It wouldn't mean they were wrong about his qualities as a player, just that they were missing the picture. In some ways, I think the same happens with Garcia (though as I've alrfeady said, he contributed far more than Jones ever did as a player in my opinion).

 

I sit in the Main stand, every screamed at Garcia that “he was last” “not good enough etc”

I think it says more about me really, I went to the Athletico game, and I didn’t sing his name, but I didn’t sing Fowler’s name at Leeds or City, I just don’t, maybe in my head I support the team in red, not the ex red in the other team, Like Clem when he played for spurs and we won 3-1 at Anfield, he got a great reception and rightly so, and there was a little chant, but it was back to matters on the pitch, that in my view is how it should be.

Joey Jones is an interesting one, He wasn’t a great player, he had limits, but effort was not one of them, he gave all he could for the red shirt and people love that, In the early days that’s what carried Carragher through in my opinion, he always gave 100% same with Macateer and Harkness and the like, where as Collymore, who was so talented couldn’t be arsed.

Garcia always gave his all as Know said and was important for Istanbul I appreciate that,

Knox_Harrington

Knox_Harrington

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He had some legendary moments but he certainly did go missing in far too many routine league games for me.

 

Of their ilk, I far prefer Smicer and Benayoun to Garcia.

Garcia in his first season especially was a far better proposition than Benayoun.

kop205

kop205

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I sit in the Main stand, every screamed at Garcia that “he was last” “not good enough etc”

 

Joey Jones is an interesting one, He wasn’t a great player, he had limits, but effort was not one of them, he gave all he could for the red shirt and people love that, In the early days that’s what carried Carragher through in my opinion, he always gave 100% same with Macateer and Harkness and the like, where as Collymore, who was so talented couldn’t be arsed.

Garcia always gave his all as Know said and was important for Istanbul I appreciate that,

 

Oh the same would happen around me on the Kop, but then there were an equal number who loved belting out his song (which in itself was a sign of the affection in which he was held).

 

As for DH's Smicer and Benayoun comparisons, they are all slightly different players, but I think of the 3 Smicer was the one who was potentially a top, top player but underachieved - largely because of injuries but even so - and will hence be remembered less fondly. Garcia on the other hand probabaly overachieved as he came with very little expectation really - hope maybe, based on one or two whsipers, but no real expectation.

 

For me Bennayoun has done in small games what Luis did in massive games and I can't really fathom how anyone would have him ahead of Garcia on balance.

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Jarg Armani

Jarg Armani

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I loved him, hated the stick he got, thought he left too early.

 

Haven't watched him since so i suspect others can judge how much he's dropped off since then, but do i think 05 garcia could still do a job for us? damn right.

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