Rafa waiting on 6+5 rule

[BG]

Somewhat bizarre articles in tomorrow's papers saying Rafa is waiting on a Fifa vote re having to field 6 players eligible for the national team before sorting out transfers in and out. I'd have thought this has literally zero chance of happening under European law but none of the articles I've read even mention that.

 

Anyone know anything?

[Guest Kaizer]

It has actually crossed my mind since we have been linked with many English players this spring.

[Zoob]

stupid

 

Sepp Blatter's "How to pointlessly destroy football idea #472". We'd suffer the most since English players tend to be more terrible than most. There's a reason why the top clubs have so few English players....

 

And if it did happen, I think the gap between the top 4 and the rest would get even bigger, as any half decent English players would get snapped up immediately.

Edited May 13, 2008 by Zoob

[MFletcher]

They would.

 

The Big Four would simply offer huge amounts for the English talent - like Downing etc.

 

Then the 'smaller' clubs would have to buy from the Championship to make up the shortfall. If anyone came good, the Big Four would simply buy them up and the process would start again.

 

Blatter is pathetic at his job. He's more concerned with getting his name in the papers than anything else.

[fyds]

Too many fat, lazy, asthmatic kids who think football is played on a play station rather than on grass, sh*tty junior coaching and management systems all folloowed on by so many paranoid parents scared of a paedophile behind every bush and goalpost as told by the Mail et al, so reluctant to let their little darlings out to play all contribute to a lack of numbers and quality in the English (Scottish and now even German and Dutch) game. You could say it was the curese of the relatively affluent nations - casual indolence. Football was always a game for the hungry - both literally and in terms of success.

Edited May 13, 2008 by fyds

[MFletcher]

I attribute it to poor coaching at youth level. A lot of these so called "coaches" channel their ego into their team. They pick the biggest kids so that they can win there and then, whilst any smaller kids with skill are left on the touchline because they "aren't big enough".

 

I was walking past the playing fields near my house one day, and the Saturday kid's matches were ongoing. All you could hear was the coaches shouting at the kids to "hoof it up the field" etc.

 

The 6+5 rule is a joke that will merely serve to monopolise the power of the top four and create very, very big problems for some teams. Which five foreigners can you really expect to keep, because you can't keep playing an inferior Englishman ahead of them before they get fed up. So the likes of Agger/Skrtel could end up at someone in the UEFA Cup spots, because they can't go back to their homelands and play to a decent level. The same couldn't be said of someone like Alonso, who could move back to any number of clubs in Spain and still do well.

 

It's a joke ruling. If it goes through, it will end the days when anyone had a real chance of breaking the top four. Players like Glen Johnson and Stewart Downing will go for a small fortune, but they'll still go to the bigger clubs and be replaced by someone who's actual level is a league lower.

[Rimbeux]

2010 is Blatters aim, so it's not immediate even before you factor in the minimal chance of him getting anywhere with this, its against the bloody law. But on the off chance the EU implodes and/or allows for limits on the freedom of employment then it might make sense to get in a season before the rush. Also, is it more cost effective to sell to the Euro zone and buy from the UK as far as exchange rates are concerned?

[growler]

he doesn't see the longer term impact either. Does he think that players like Anelka, Ribery, Agger, Modric etc will go back to their country and play in their domestic competition? They would rather play lower down the league. The impact of this is in the international arena, because the english players would get better from playing with the top players around the world, whilst the players from the lesser nations would be left floundering even more.

 

I agree with A rule, but not 6+5. I think having a rule that 3 should be domestic is a good start.

 

Also, I don't see why its a problem to have the EU sign off on it. After all, its just a rule of the game. Not saying you can't sign whoever you want. Just saying you have to follow the rules of the game on the match day.

[Guest the Dude abides]

ffs, it ain't gonna happen, would take years to implement anyway. Can't afoord to sit around twiddling our thumbs while our targets get snapped up.

[Magic8Ball]

ffs, it ain't gonna happen, would take years to implement anyway. Can't afoord to sit around twiddling our thumbs while our targets get snapped up.

interestingly so far we've only solid links to english players ....

[growler]

Also, how does it sit with the current rule of x number of players have to be home grown or something like that? I remember it from Football Manager. Is that a real rule?

[Murphman]

Too many fat, lazy, asthmatic kids who think football is played on a play station rather than on grass, sh*tty junior coaching and management systems all folloowed on by so many paranoid parents scared of a paedophile behind every bush and goalpost as told by the Mail et al, so reluctant to let their little darlings out to play all contribute to a lack of numbers and quality in the English (Scottish and now even German and Dutch) game. You could say it was the curese of the relatively affluent nations - casual indolence. Football was always a game for the hungry - both literally and in terms of success.

 

 

Rubbish, coaching of kids is great nowadays compared to when we were kids, a million times better at grass roots plus most kids who make the grade are in academies by the time they reach senior school.

[johnc]

FIFA's proposal was rejected by the EU as contrary to EU Law.

[BG]

FIFA's proposal was rejected by the EU as contrary to EU Law.

 

Yes I read that when I looked into it more. Apparently Blatter thinks he can come to a 'gentlemen's agreement' with te EU. You really couldn't make it up.

[BG]

Also, I don't see why its a problem to have the EU sign off on it. After all, its just a rule of the game. Not saying you can't sign whoever you want. Just saying you have to follow the rules of the game on the match day.

 

It's not the rules of the game being debated: it's whether clubs should be forced to discriminate on the basis of nationality.

 

Should Warnock be paid more than Clichy, Robinson more than Reina on the basis of nationality?

[Guest rookie]

Independent of what Blatter & co decide, in the Champions League squad next season we need 4 club-trained players and 4 association-trained players. Last season it was 3+3. We only had Carragher and Gerrard as club-trained senior players but added Stephen Darby (from list B) just to get the total of 25 players in the squad. So selling British players will mean we are in risk of having to reduce our CL squad.

Edited May 13, 2008 by rookie

[Molby]

Rubbish, coaching of kids is great nowadays compared to when we were kids, a million times better at grass roots plus most kids who make the grade are in academies by the time they reach senior school.

 

 

dunno Murph...it may have improved but it still seems all wrong to me

 

my son is 10 and plays at a club with about 5 teams according to age and I walk around the pitches to see what's going on - far too much emphasis on winning, safety first, the physical aspects of the game

 

at that age it should be skill, skill, skill and a bit of game technique like good comminication on the pitch etc

[gkmacca]

The last time they imposed a quota (which classed Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh as 'foreign' too) Souey had to deal with it, and it really made his job so much harder at an already difficult time. Many people forget that these days when they discuss his time as manager. Stupid idea.

Edited May 13, 2008 by gkmacca

[MFletcher]

Did Ferguson not have to drop Schmeichel for a crucial EC game because of that rule?

 

I think the whole idea is a joke frankly, but Blatter wants to "leave a legacy".

[Bailo]

Independent of what Blatter & co decide, in the Champions League squad next season we need 4 club-trained players and 4 association-trained players. Last season it was 3+3. We only had Carragher and Gerrard as club-trained senior players but added Stephen Darby (from list B) just to get the total of 25 players in the squad. So selling British players will mean we are in risk of having to reduce our CL squad.

The club-trained, I believe, could include San Jose, Nemeth et al, after a certain amount of time.

[Hassony]

Did Ferguson not have to drop Schmeichel for a crucial EC game because of that rule?

 

I think the whole idea is a joke frankly, but Blatter wants to "leave a legacy".

 

I remember seeing Schmichael in the stand when United were thumped 4-0 against Barca

 

Doesn't spain have a rule about only 3 non EC players in the squad?

[fred milne]

The last time they imposed a quota (which classed Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh as 'foreign' too) Souey had to deal with it, and it really made his job so much harder at an already difficult time. Many people forget that these days when they discuss his time as manager.

Its an interesting point when you consider the team he inherited which had only 3 English players:

 

Grobelaar

Nicol Gillespie Hysen Staunton

Houghton McMahon Whelan Barnes

Rush Beardsley

[Murphman]

dunno Murph...it may have improved but it still seems all wrong to me

 

my son is 10 and plays at a club with about 5 teams according to age and I walk around the pitches to see what's going on - far too much emphasis on winning, safety first, the physical aspects of the game

 

at that age it should be skill, skill, skill and a bit of game technique like good comminication on the pitch etc

 

 

Ridiculous G, get him another club. At that age it's ball skills, ball skills, ball skills, you're quite right, at 10 we did NOTHING that didn't involve a football. Most clubs are well run, get him into one that's chartered.

[genghis]

Too many fat, lazy, asthmatic kids who think football is played on a play station rather than on grass, sh*tty junior coaching and management systems all folloowed on by so many paranoid parents scared of a paedophile behind every bush and goalpost as told by the Mail et al, so reluctant to let their little darlings out to play all contribute to a lack of numbers and quality in the English (Scottish and now even German and Dutch) game. You could say it was the curese of the relatively affluent nations - casual indolence. Football was always a game for the hungry - both literally and in terms of success.

 

Actually I place it at the moment Th*tcher decided the best way to get kids prepared for the future was to sell off most of the school playing fields, and start a property bubble that meant green spaces got flogged off by councils to the nearest developer. F'cking witch.

 

Ten years later (the mid 90s) everyone started moaning that kids were too into their PS and watching TV, without wondering why their habits had changed.