Kuyt and Voronin...........

[Wardy]

........ regardless of your opinion on either player I can't for the life of me see how the two of them can function in the same team whatever the formation. Am I the only one?

 

I'd have played one or both of Babel/Benayoun yesterday in the wide positions.

[Billy Dane]

Not the striking partnership to bring the title home to Anfield.

 

While Torres is injured I would play Crouch up front, and I would also give Babel a spell up front to see what he can do.

Edited October 29, 2007 by le2red

[RBM]

Kuyt wants drowning in the Mersey with Vorinin as the weight tied to his leg to make him sink.

[Mike]

........ regardless of your opinion on either player I can't for the life of me see how the two of them can function in the same team whatever the formation. Am I the only one?

 

I'd have played one or both of Babel/Benayoun yesterday in the wide positions.

 

no i agree with you so you are 100% correct.

[Gunga Din]

neither of them are good enough to be at his club

[Mike]

Kuyt wants drowning in the Mersey with Vorinin as the weight tied to his leg to make him sink.

 

but not in the same spot as we do riise or it will like suspicious.

[Wardy]

Kuyt is in stinking form at the moment but I feel a bit sorry for Voronin.

 

He's looked a decent partner for Torres on the rare occasions they've played together.

[Mondavi]

agree. dirk and either babel/yossi would be better, especially in that formation - which I think can work for us. At least one of those wider positions needs pace and a desire to break into the box.

[Armin_Tamzarian]

They definitely shouldn't be in the same side if we're playing 2 up top. It was painful watching last week, no pace, busy but unthreatening I think one journo described it. Yesterday was different, if Torres had been fit that combo could've worked well. It puts Gerrard further forward in a central position whilst allowing one of Voronin or Torres to support the striker as and when, or at least I'm guessing that was the plan.

 

We'd have a better mix of 4 strikers if we'd kept Bellamy.

[MFletcher]

I don't think you can blame the two of them for being played together. They're similar players and they'll both do their best for the team, but it's not their fault that they've been paired together and started to run into each other.

 

I'd quite like to see Babel played up front alongside Kuyt. If we go with Crouch with Kuyt/Voronin, we'll have a complete lack of pace again and I really don't want to see that.

[Guest Kaizer]

neither of them are good enough to be at his club

 

But still being played out of position Voronin set up the best chance we had in the game which not surprisingly Crouch wasted.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Kaizer

[Falconhoof]

I know we got Voronin on a free, that makes sense. How much did we pay for Kuyt ? You could shop in the championship for players who graft and work hard.

Where's the quality ?

[_00_deathscar]

Aye, that move was every bit as sleek as any Arsenal move last night, but you won't hear that from the "pundits" because it didn't involve 35 pointless passes - it was incisive and it was penetrative, we didn't a*** about in midfield playing pointless 1-2's but looking good doing it.

[Dan]

But still being played out of position Voronin set up the best chance we had in the game which not surprisingly Crouch wasted.

 

What a f*ckin 10 yard pass along the floor? Well lets make him catptain ffs. What about the guilt edged change he missed in Turkey?

 

I'm not a big fan of Voronin at all but your obsession with trying to justify his inclusion over Crouch or Kuyt is embarrassing.

Edited October 29, 2007 by DS77

[Rimbeux]

There were chucked a hospital yesterday, but still made a mess of it. No they dont make a good front pair, in our team. You need a high degree of individual ability because you have to play isolated much of the time.

[Leo No.8]

Kuyt and Voronin are both useful players but never the twain should meet on our teamsheet.

 

Myself, I always feel pace should be one of the biggest factors in your forward players. Whenever we play with both Kuyt and Voronin it doesn't matter where they play it means as an attacking force we've got two players with very little speed and the whole shape of our team suffers.

 

All the successful teams in the modern era have pace in abundance in wide and forward areas. It's a very simple requirement to win games you draw with a more cautious approach.

 

It looked on paper like 4-3-3 was an attacking formation yesterday but as soon as I saw the players named as the three up top I realised it was quite the opposite. To me it's clear he picked the two grafters in wide areas to stop Arsenal playing through the full-backs and to put pressure on them in their own half.

 

I suppose it makes sense tactically, but is this really the way we want to go? Compromising our attacking play to try and stop the opposition - at Anfield? Picking our forwards with a view to stopping their full backs? It's mighty negative at best, we played like the away team in every aspect of the game yesterday and for many of us that's not what we go to see.

 

Injuries have robbed us of seeing it, but I'd love to see us playing with Kewell, Gerrard, Babel and Torres in the same side, because it'd surely be exciting to watch. Play the formation we did yesterday but with Kewell and Babel wide of Torres, Gerrard just behind with Alonso and Mascherano holding and that would be a sight to behold with pace, dirve and attacking intent. That would be a side as good as any, dare I say it with United type flair and speed.

 

I must admit that despite the fact that I tend to be more of a 'loyalist', even I'm feeling somewhat disillusioned with Rafa at the moment. His team selections lately have been a mixture of the unadventurous, confusing and downright strange but the injuries clearly haven't helped either.

 

But still, during his time with Valencia Rafa baffled the fans and pundits with his selections a lot of the time. He picked a practical reserve team to rest his top players in the run in to La Liga when they were top, they secured a vital away draw and eventually the title.

 

He's got a habit of making things work in his own way, and I'm hoping that turns out to be the case again because we're not far behind, and we could definitely still challenge from our current league position. If there's one thing Rafa's teams have always done it's finish strongly so if we can keep grinding out results, have a bit of luck with injuries and be there or thereabouts at Christmas we could still win it.

 

I know it seems almost unthinkable the way we've played for the last 6 weeks or so, but you write Rafa off at your peril. I'm feeling as low as the rest of you are, but I look at that side above and think if we could just see that lot all fit and playing, we could have a run where we win our last 10-15 games the way we have done a few times over the last 5 years.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Leo No.8

[_00_deathscar]

I suppose it makes sense tactically, but is this really the way we want to go? Compromising our attacking play to try and stop the opposition - at Anfield? Picking our forwards with a view to stopping their full backs? It's mighty negative at best, we played like the away team in every aspect of the game yesterday and for many of us that's not what we go to see.

 

With a patched up team, players returning from injury, us on low morale and Arsenal on the back of 12 consecutive wins, I'm not so sure going gung-ho and trying to take them on would've been a much better, if at all better, option.

[Bootle Buck]

It appears that Kuyt is almost becoming a midfield player more than a forward. He certainly has the workrate but his touch and lack of pace are very poor. I don't think many expected a lot from Voronin but I am surprised he has startd so much. I would rather see him come of the bench and get stuck in for the last 15 minutes of games rather than start them.

[Rimbeux]

With a patched up team, players returning from injury, us on low morale and Arsenal on the back of 12 consecutive wins, I'm not so sure going gung-ho and trying to take them on would've been a much better, if at all better, option.

 

 

They are a much worse team defending and it keeps them away from our goal. Just a couple of different personel maybe might have given us more of the game, it wasn't like we were containing them or stopping them from playing.

[Leo No.8]

With a patched up team, players returning from injury, us on low morale and Arsenal on the back of 12 consecutive wins, I'm not so sure going gung-ho and trying to take them on would've been a much better, if at all better, option.

 

I'm not saying we should have gone 'gung-ho'.

 

I simply don't agree with us having effectively employed four of our midfield / attacking players in essentially defensive positions. I'd go as far as to say the primary purpose of Kuyt and Voronin out wide was to stop them playing.

 

Just swap Benayoun and Babel say for Voronin and Kuyt and we've got far more pace and creativity, and it's still a 4-5-1 which could hardly be described as all out attack.

 

It's hardly 'gung ho' with both Mascherano and Alonso protecting the back four, just trying to win a home game with a proper balance of defence and attack and of graft and creativity.

 

We're graft heavy for every game at the moment and it's not proving successful or pretty to watch.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Leo No.8

[Guest Kaizer]

Why do people describe Kuyt and Voronins pace in the same sentence?

 

Its the same as saying Gerrard and Alonso are slow f*****s, jiust because Alonso is.

 

Voronin has got pace, he is in no way comparable to neither Kuyt or Crouch in this aspect

[_00_deathscar]

Why do people describe Kuyt and Voronins pace in the same sentence?

 

Its the same as saying Gerrard and Alonso are slow f*****s, jiust because Alonso is.

 

Voronin has got pace, he is in no way comparable to neither Kuyt or Crouch in this aspect

 

What the f***? What kind of an analogy is that?

[johngibo YPC]

Why do people describe Kuyt and Voronins pace in the same sentence?

 

Its the same as saying Gerrard and Alonso are slow f*****s, jiust because Alonso is.

 

Voronin has got pace, he is in no way comparable to neither Kuyt or Crouch in this aspect

 

when is he going to show the rest of us?

[Leo No.8]

Why do people describe Kuyt and Voronins pace in the same sentence?

 

Its the same as saying Gerrard and Alonso are slow f*****s, jiust because Alonso is.

 

Voronin has got pace, he is in no way comparable to neither Kuyt or Crouch in this aspect

 

None of Crouch, Kuyt or Voronin are quick.

 

Whether Voronin is marginally quicker than the other two is totally irrelevant, as I haven't seen any of them ever beat a defender for pace which puts them all in the same bracket.

[Guest Kaizer]

when is he going to show the rest of us?

 

When you open your eyes.