what is the effect that we have

[anny road]

Zenden

Warnock

Pennant....

even Gerrard?

 

Whoever...What would you think if they saw some of the criticism that is thrown around on here, some of it unjustified......Do you think that players are thick skinned? eearn alot of money so are not bothered what people say or think.....Maybe they should take it after all we pay our money and are entitled to our opinions.....?

 

Someone I know is at the lowest point of his career currently.......playing poorly....no confidence...no help from the players in front of him....The manager is criticising in public (he was called "shocking" the other week...) and he has been told that he will lose his place when the player he replaced is back and match fit....His contract is up in the summer and this has come at the worst time possible

 

He has seen what has been posted about him on certain forums..........apparantly he was sat trawling through them the other night.......he probably shouldnt have done as he was slaughtered.....

 

From a confident young player to a jibbering wreck when he walks onto the pitch, knowing his manager doesnt trust him, and the fans cant stand him

 

sad

[Crazy Horse]

What do you propose? Lock up the forums? Enforced obsequiousness?

 

If a player's playing s****, they're playing s****.

[anny road]

What do you propose? Lock up the forums? Enforced obsequiousness?

 

If a player's playing s****, they're playing s****.

 

 

dont be so over dramatic

 

i am just posting a thought for discussion based on something I found out

 

I suppose when it s amate who is getting it, it makes you think about how harmful some stuff can be

 

People dont play badly on purpose

[Maldini]

I'd be surprised if a few of our lads don't come on here or other forums. I pity them if they do. You wouldn't want to be a sensitive lad with some of the idiots we have on here. At some stage this season I think every player has been a "s***house" or an abject failure.

[Cunny]

I assume you are talking about Ste Jordan.

Yes I'm sure all the stick does not help a player regain form or confidence but really if I was a player the last place I'd come to is an internet forum!

 

I know the money they earn is no barrier to how they take criticism but they earn the money to be able to perform in a pressurised situation. If it was easy, everyone could do it and their wages would be feck all.

 

apologies for typos, I'm pissed!

[anny road]

I assume you are talking about Ste Jordan.

Yes I'm sure all the stick does not help a player regain form or confidence but really if I was a player the last place I'd come to is an internet forum!

 

I know the money they earn is no barrier to how they take criticism but they earn the money to be able to perform in a pressurised situation. If it was easy, everyone could do it and their wages would be feck all.

 

apologies for typos, I'm pissed!

 

 

can u believe someone sent him a link to a City forum?

 

I sxuppose it is inevitable he was going to read it.......

[Cunny]

can u believe someone sent him a link to a City forum?

 

I sxuppose it is inevitable he was going to read it.......

 

 

why did you do that?

[anny road]

why did you do that?

 

 

dont look at me

[jon_hall]

Anny Rd in sending links to footy mates...

 

Tell Ste to tell Didi to get his a*** back to Anfield.

[Herbie von Smalls]

kinda cuts both ways.

 

players can only tolerate so much, they're as human as anyone.

 

on the other hand they're detached from the people that watch footy and happy to revel in that status most of the time. makes it easier for fans to forget their heroes are human.

[Crazy Horse]

If I was player, I'd never come onto a forum. I do feel bad for Jordan though, if that's who Anny is referring to. Everytime I seen him play he's looked very solid. Unsung hero kind of thing. And I have to say, it's a bit f***ing rich for Man City fans to slate their players for poor performances when most of their club's history has been marked by mediocrity.

[Spike]

I'd say it depends upon your mentality at that level.

 

To cut a long story short I once score a hat-trick in schools footy in 30 minutes after being brought on as a sub. Always a second string midfielder but most of our lads were away at a rugby 7s tourney. As we were a rugby school cup games were everything and it was the first round the next week. First thing the coach said to me on the bus was I wasn't in the cup squad. Gutted? I was mortified. Ended up in the first 13 as it was then for the cup game due to injuries. Came on as sub in the last ten minutes. Hated that c*** of a manager who did that to me though.

 

Next year, worked my a*** off, got the right back position, was ever present and won the Cheshire schools cup with me providing two assists. Won player of the year and was runner up in players player of the year. Won the Cheshire cup for every year I played as a first team member.

 

There were no forums, I wasn't a pro, I wasn't being paid a bundle but i sure as f***ing hell wanted to prove everybody wrong.

 

If you have ability then you are the master of your own destiny, if you have hunger you can make up for any lack of natural ability by some percentage. If you have both you are a premier league footballer.

 

Tell Ste, to f*** them forums off as an actual criticism, prove them c**** wrong, and to bare that in mind whenever Pearce teamtalks him.

[hideNseek]

That's a tough one tbh.

 

No one likes criticism espiecally if it's not constructive. Certainly no one (unless there a bit mental) likes out and out abuse.

 

But if some one is playing s*** then it goes with the territory.

 

Thing is if your playing absolute crap but giving 100% then by and large most fans will support you. Big Eric was total crap as a striker but always gave his all and it was appreciated by the supporters and he's a cult legend because of it.

 

 

Cisse on the other hand is a c*** legend.

[Scally the Wag]

Why don't we all sign up to a Chelsea site, play Blue, and slag Lampard & co off...?

 

If it works that easily we could soon send half their squad into the shakes.

 

 

I think this whole thing is more a matter of introspection: what is it that makes someone a fan and what responsibilities do we have for claiming to be one?

[billybunter]

On one hand we as fans need somewhere where we can let off some steam and our frustration, and the internet with its ablility to hide a persons identity is perfect for that.

 

But on the other, its like slagging off one of your mates to another friend. You wouldnt dream of the other person finding out. Sadly, what we say on here is in print and can be very damaging to the person being talked out, if discovered.

 

Unless a player is a fan and wants to add something to a discussion then they really should stay away from these sites as it can be destructive whether it is complimentary or insulting what is written.

 

I mean as fans what the f*** do we really know anyway?

[floyd the barber]

footballers are celebrities....like movie and pop stars before, they are now gossiped about with every move they make being under the microscope...not forgetting of course, their performances..

 

part of the job, and if they cant handle it....well they can quit and go get a normal job and give up the big money.

 

yes they are human, but for the past 10-15 years football has been under a bigger microscope than ever before...only the naive wouldnt realise their performances and private life wouldnt be gossiped about on the internet or in magazines.

 

 

also would say that the mentallity of english players in particular is weaker than those in say italy or south america who have grown up and been taught about the pressures of being a professional footballer.

 

feel bad for saying it, but the majoriy of english footballers are not exactly gifted with much of a brain(blame the schooling/coaching,etc,etc)...again a weakness which is easily exploited by the english press.

[Maldini]

f*** that, some people are just pure scum. There's a line that can be crossed as to what is acceptable criticism. If I was Gerrard for example and read some of the s*** that has gone through the forums over the last week I'd want to track people down and kick the f*** out of them.

 

Even on a lesser scale, if Crouch had been on this forum this time last year he couldn't but have been affected by some of the unjustified vitriol aimed in his direction.

[Cobs]

They should man up

 

and maybe spend a bit more time practising and less pissing about on the interweb

[dodgy1]

Pearce will be sacked before the summer anyway.

[Guest Kev]

The football forums are an outlet for 99.9% of fans who think they know better than everyone else. Before the internet fans used to kick cats etc to vent their anger.

 

 

nb.

 

I am the .1% who does know better than anyone else

[Bigal]

Its an absolute shocker isnt it?

 

I watched the Wigan game, the team is playing poorly, but you win and lose as a team he shouldnt be singled out.

 

And as for bringing t***cher back, I think that will be a big mistake for Pearce

[mally]

there is no effect whatsoever

[Maldini]

there is no effect whatsoever

did you just read the headline and ignore the rest of the thread?

[Billy Dane]

I think everyone is affected by criticism of themselves in one way or another. Who the criticism is from and how they react to it is the key IMO.

 

The ideal, as someone has already said, is to use it as a motivator to prove people wrong. Unfortunately that doesn't work for everyone, and they need to be treated in a different way to get the best out of them.

 

Criticism from fans is one thing, but when it comes from the manager it is another. For Pearce to come out and say a player's performance is shocking is an indication that he probably doesn't have a great understanding of man management techniques.

 

It's one reason why I have a certain amount of sympathy for Cisse, he was playing for a manager who clearly didn't rate him. There was very little public support for Cisse from Rafa, and Rafa's way of managing him doesn't appear to have got the best out of him.

 

The majority of the "blame" for Cisse not working out still lies with Cisse, but I would question if Rafa tried everything he could to get the most out of the club's most valuable purchase. If it was any other business this would be the question asked.

[PLY]

If a fan is concerned about the performance of a player I'd rather they do it here than at the match where it can affect the player directly.

 

Sometimes these forums are just an extension of the alehouse where you can get frustrations off you're chest and advocate how you'd do things . I don't think forums should be viewed seriously by players as a damning ctritique as they are usually just an (over) reaction to current events.