not compared to terry, gallas, vidic, ferdinand, even toure. hyypia has got his fair share over the years certainly, but he isn't part of our long term defensive future. agger has scored a couple, but we actually need someone to score headers from corners. our corners have been a joke for as long as i can remember, it would be more than handy to at least make the opposition think that we could do something, rather than planning counter attacks. carragher's scoring record is funny until you think about it.