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well, if that's true then I'm bunking off here from May and I'll be back around the end of August... reality's no fun whatsoever Chewie

Agree with most of this but wonder how you would 'prioritise' the outs? - who is an absolute must to get rid of? - who would we keep as squad back-up etc - who would we keep as a player that will do because we have budgeted elsewhere and the money is spent etc? I would probably do this positionally... So - LB sees Insua deffo go... then CB - sees Skrtl go (but perhaps keep Soto to help the likes of Wilson, ayala etc to come through) Wide attacking player - sees Jova go and get in genuine pace and quality on at least one flank I would then go for one seriously gifted attacking player - prob sees Aquilani go but maybe keep Cole as back-up (or perhaps other way round?) so, if a top notch LB, CB and Wide player came... could we live with an attacking midfield option of Gerrard, Aquilani, Cole It may also depend on who's available... a seriously good Central Midfielder who can both defend and pass releases Gerrard/Meireles as this player can work alongside Lucas and if needs be Gerrard/Mereiles can fill in from time to time.... if such a player is not available then does gerrard move back, and an attacking midfielder comes in? Questions, questions but what should the priorities be... Chewie

got to imagine that his year in the Scottish prem wasn't spent defending against a load of messi's... Reckon the physical side of things shouldn't bother him chewie

We have far too many players who apparently need to have good players around them. We need players who are good in their own right, who make the game change, who make the other quality players great and who inspire the, at most 3, good but not great team players fit in... here it goes but since others have started it we have... GK - Reina Rightback / wingback - Kelly / Johnson Leftback / wingback - ? / Johnson lose - Aurelio (could have been so much more for this fella) we need a quality left sided fullback / wingback and this position is covered by the combination above Centre half - Agger / Carra / Wilson - keep skrtl - lose Soto - happy to have around for cover as 4/5 choice Need - top quality centre half to challenge Agger / Carra Centre Mid - Gerrard / Mereiles / Lucas / Shelvey lose - Poulsen, prob Spearing Need - one more quality midfielder, probably a holding player as only Lucas gives us this Attacking midfielders (I have to say this to group a number of players who are neither left nor right etc) Kuyt, Cole, Maxi - keep 1, lose 2 (at the moment I'd see Maxi go first, and Cole has 6 months to show why he should justify staying over Kuyt, who I also think I would be happy to see leave. Need - jeez the need is great... last time round the king bought Beardsley (Suarez), Aldridge (Caroll), Barnes (?) and Houghton (?) - it is these two we need to replace the most!! So, whether they are attacking wide players of simply attacking players who can play wide... I dunno, I trust the King.. but we need em and we need em to be good, very good strikers... Carroll, Suarez - obvious don't care if he goes - N'gog, Pacheco (if he was really anything at all he'd be further than he is now... sort of huy who may go on to do well in a Spanish side like Villareal or Mallorca and then get a big move in the future perhaps, a la Forlan?) the replacements here will depend on who replaces the attacking midfielders and if any of them can play either up front or off the front man (which of course Gerrard can do) ... then we have the young players who, let's be fair, we might see 1 - at the most 2 - of and only in about 3 years time... We can only submit a 25 man squad and mine would be Reina + 1 Kelly, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Wilson, + 2 new Gerrard, Mereiles, Lucas, Shelvey + 1 new Cole + 2 new Suarez, Caroll + 1 new that's 6 players we need, raising funds and clearing wages through sales of... Skrtl, Aquilani, Maxi, Kuyt (£25mil?) + £25 mil that was committed to Suarez before the Nando cash came in + £15 mil more that I reckon they would have been prepared to pay in Jan if the right players were available. Are those 6 players out there for £75 million (backing them up with say a few squad players who we might end up keeping - Aurelio / soto) and youngsters)? Hope so!! YNWA Chewie

those of us who are in our mid 30s and over might need to listen to those under 25 about the general perception out there about Liverpool... thank Rafa we won the Champs league in 05 and were in the final two years later chewie

schoolboy error... had whole load of text here but now copied and pasted into summer targets (not a transfer) thread YNWA Chewie PS. Aye, Maxi can leave

think Johnson will stay...the others could go though... Those to keep are pepe Kelly, carra, agger, Wilson (?), Johnson gerrard, meireles, Lucas, jonjo Carroll, suarez we need to add 2 quality defenders, and at least 1 quality midfielder and a further attacking option don't really care about the rest provided replacements are better to increase squad depth though if said first team players come in we might do worse than keeping kuyt and cole as squad depth and experience thing is I believe it'll happen Ynwa chewie

didn't see it but based on previous games it'll be something like...Raul...chance...goal!!!

Kenny loves Agger cos Kenny loves Hansen and if Agger is anything he is as close to Hansen as we have seen in the last 20 years... cos of all that agger loves Kenny and cos Agger loves Kenny and plays like Hansen it means that we love Agger... it's simple really...and kenny made it so YNWA Chewie

I honestly think that with Kenny at the helm this side of our play will improve and Lucas will benefit. We all know that Rafa was very much about formation and Woy was just woeful... but it is a regular feature of our play since Kenny came in that players are expressing their own play more and further are being giving licence, within an astute tactical framework that sees one player compensate for another, to get forward. Lucas has, each year, improved on his game and has each year grown .... who's to say that scoring 5-10 goals a season in a side that plays with confidence and with himself as an integral part of it is not thenext stage in his development. It doesn't necessarily need to happen for him to be an important part of our team but I would not be at all surprised if that is what happens next for the guy. He has never treated Liverpool with anything other than respect and I don't know how this gets translated from the fans to a player but the guy needs to know somehow that the tide has turned... YNWA Chewie

Dalglish as manager... no more whining over trying to keep 'big name' players standing firm and getting top whack for torres going out and signing two players straight away club, fans,manager and players all together loving anfield demanding to be the best in the world seeing the issues clearly (see SOS response by henry and Werner...top top reply by very switched on men) able to put my name at the bottom of my posts after H&G and Woy boycott :-) loving what is happening at our club...never thought it could remotely look like this 6 months ago during court cases and administration... Ynwa chewie

When you walk through the storm; Hold your head up high; And don't be afraid of the dark; At the end of the storm; There's a golden sky; And the sweet silver song of the lark Walk on, through the wind Walk on, through the rain Though your dreams be tossed and blown Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone Head up, no fear, keep the faith... there's no player bigger than what we believe in This is Liverpool Football Club Walk On

offal and sky sports saying we have rejected formal transfer request, expecting Torres to honiur his contract

that's no problem...I kinda play the genius no 10 role - in our case no 7 ;-)

I was gonna start a new thread with this title... Kenny makes me dream of playing for Liverpool again... but we could all clog up the forum with Kenny threads... but here's what I mean... Although not ancient I am long past the age of ever thinking with any genuine intent that I might end up playing for Liverpool. At the age of 11 though I was selected in my primaryt school to read out my piece on my ambition in life and guess what, it was to play for Liverpool. That was the same year that Kenny scored the winner at Stamford Bridge to win us the title before Rushie did the double and so did we on that beautiful day in May. Just old enough to know that the team I supported was the greatest in the world, but just too young to really remember 77,78, 81 and 84. Heysel was my earliest memory of European football, the league cup final against United with Whelan scoring a sublime curler was an earlier cause of joy... you can tell I did not grow up at Anfield... but my father passed on the love and in 85-86 I bled it in... then came despair and joy. Rush left but Aldridge, Barnes and Beardsley arrived... playing fantasy football. I was in love. The 80s drew to a close with the horror of Hillsborough and the club I loved was hurting but was bonded even closer in its grief. Kenny brought us through and would lead us on. The title followed...but then so did the resignation. The wilderness began... Souness, Evans - we all longed for them to make it happen with each passing year seeming to pass with only the 'piece in the jigsaw' missing. It didn't come. Houllier gave us back some respect. The first 6 months of 2001 were epic...almost every game televised and something of a knock-out... It was exhilarating. The piece in the jigsaw seemed to be about to fall into place. It didn't, the pieces got all messed up and for the first time in my life I started listening to the airwaves in guilty anticipation that a new manager would take his place. The Rafalution began. 25 May 2005 was quite simply one of the greatest nights of my life. The first 4 passed me by even though I was alive... this one will never pass from me for as long as I am alive. The FA cup followed, a team of quality was birthed and in 2008 we were as strong as I could remember us being for almost 20 years... the final piece in the jigsaw would surely come. It didn't. Betrayed by owners, undermined by politics and debt, the team became a shadow of itself and something happened within me... For the whole of my life I had dreamed of playing for Liverpool. In the 90s and 00s I dreamed of being the final piece in the jigsaw. I don't mean simply saying 'it'd be great to be a footballer eh'. I mean actually finding myself thinking for sustained periods of time on how I would be the 16 year old bursting onto the scene and making the difference. Of the press conferences and trophy hauls. Of team dynamics and were I would fit in formation wise., I don't mind admitting but in my dreams I change football! In my dreams Liverpool almost ruin football because we are untouchable. When we play United we give them an extra hammering just cos we can...yet the want to dream started to die. I found myself still wanting to make that difference but actually thinking twice on it cos I didn't want to give Hicks and Gillette their get out of jail free card. What if I helped make Liverpool the greatest and they rolled it in...something within me paused before wanting to dream... Rafa left, so did the yanks... and then Roy came. For the first time in my life that I could remember I didn't want to play for Liverpool again. I didn't dream of it because I didn't want to mask Roy's failings by being so good that we would win anyway. I feared making him look good. I feared what would happen if anyone else came in. I know all this sounds daft cos as a grown man you're not meant to think this way, but I would dream and dream of playing football for Liverpool. Those dreams died... Then Kenny came back in and suddenly everything has changed. I don't know if this is going to work out. I don't know if it'll be longer than 6 months or if he'll be a success...but suddenly I dream of playing for Liverpool again. Of being 16 and pulling on that shirt and reigniting a bond between player, manager and supporters that is unbreakable. Of restoring former glories but going beyond those glories. Of seeing the King heralded as the greatest and most successful manager of all time. Of seeing Liverpool in the next 10-15 years making the 70s and 80s look like the 90s!! The spark is there, the hope is back, the dream is on... there is no more fear except the fear that we bring to others... suddenly, I want to dream a little again... Kenny makes me want to dream. I think that is what he has reignited in me, perhaps in all of us. A belief that this club is ours again, that the bond is back. It is a results business...and trust me, in my dreams we always get the results...but if it was simply a game of statistics we would all have switched to Chelsea or United years ago. We didn't because it is about more than that... it's about sharing in the dream that is Liverpool Football Club. When my mind wonders now... I don't stop... I just walk on, and you know what - even at my age, it feels good. YNWA Chewie

[quote name='Davvo' timestamp='1295806717' post= Usually too late for them by then though, as the player is usually onside by the time an offer's made. Tut tut tut.. What would Steve 'Daz' Bruce think!!

agreed... Was thinking today of how this team would fare with Lucas sitting and gerrard with meireles playing dominant attacking midfield roles. Itd be 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-2-3... Course if we get suarez and Adam everythings up for grabs but all the better! Chewie

78 minutes...kuyt has the ball under pressure and there is a simple ball back to kelly to keep possession and start things off... instead he feints round a player and hoofs it up the pitch to no-one... industrious lump... the guy needs a break even if only to watch the game for a few weeks and see what not to do... c'mon mighty reds... 3 points and home Chewie

Great news ynwa chewie!!! (good to be back)

What gets me is supposedly how bad the squad was that he inherited (all the while ignoring that he was brought here to supposedly get more out of the existing players than rafa...somebody please dig that quote out!!!) acknowledging how underinvested our squad has been since 2008 Woy still inherited...a spine of... Reina - world cup winner Johnson - englands right back carra - the homegrown heart who Capelli begged to cone back Agger / Skrtl...not long ago these were going to be our best partnership kuyt - world cup finalist Gerrard - nuff said torres - ditto gerrard added to that (and very few teams have a 1-11 that is world class, most have a spine backed up by good players)... We also had Masch - swapped for Meireles Lucas - always liked the lad, improves every year and Brazilian national Cole - englands answer to messi if we believe Terry and Gerrard maxi - argentine intl Aurelio - then in the third tier Babel / N'Gog / Kelly / pacheco etc etc... That is NOT a poor squad...in fact one if the reasons some people got so frustrated at Rafa (myself included) was that last year this group of players was playing so poorly...but compared to this year we were champions league winners... Roy was brought here to coach this team into being better than what Rafa could achieve...on that score alone he is failing even though the players ARE there! With the players we have we should be in sixth pushing hard on the heels of the 5 squads better than ours, especially if we had our best players fit... GET HIM OUT and somebody bring the press up to speed with the facts

Any chants against Purslow would be counterproductive imho as across all news media (sports, business and mainstream news reports) Broughton and Purslow were the leading lights ON BEHALF OF the fans in the fight against G&H...front page, back page, business sections, 6 o'clock news and so on...any bile against him now would get totally lost in translation for those not at all interested in the ongoing running of the club and would start to slight our fans as being small minded-crisis club mentality fans... ungrateful and long past being 'the most knowledgable fans etc...' If you want to do it and maintain a degree of dignity I reckon you speak to intelligent men as intelligent men...Henry and Werner know the score. I agree with Reade that Roy is a caretaker in all but name...its a matter of when. If we want that sooner rather than later then why not pen a well thought out, statistically backed up letter that states in no uncertain terms why we have regrettably taken this course of action, make it available for general circulation and invite people to adopt and mail it to the club. It could be mailed as individuals but also the fans forums could sent it on behalf of their membership, SOS could adopt it, supporters clubs etc... I reckon this would seriously start to do the trick... areas to cover in the letter would be - the number of clubs in a 35 year period (too many to suggest Roy is seriously the man for the long term) - his age and the age profile of his players (seriously out of touch with NESV buy-em-young moneyball thing...) - his lack of success at any club of a similar stature (citing Inter and noting the lack of others) - his inability to win away from home - looking at the whole of his premiership career - his defensive small club mentality - his inane ramblings to the press that have exuded self praise and arrogance whilst at the same time not instilling arrogance into the team - his lack of support from Liverpool fans - the basic general perception that he is not the man for the job This can be done in a way that states it is nothing personal towards the guy, though also commenting on how this is becoming more personal the longer he oversees our demise, and although not harf as sexy as being internet terrorists....would show the very bright and switched on owners of our club that we know our club, we respect our owners, we think about and care about our game...and that we need a new manager... these are my humble offerings...

I'm sorry... I don't 'want' us to lose but if we do I'll be delirious ONLY IF it means he's gone... I'm actually pretty close to wanting us to lose... I need my signature back and it ain't gonna happen while he's here...worked in getting the yanks out I want our club back and I want my name back... YNWA :-(

MOTD just drew attention to one win nine for us and one win in twenty seven for woy...lawro said it's relegation form...

Does anyone else think that Roberto Di Matteo is going to prove himself a really good manager? I think he will. When we think about these managers who manage in other leagues we often miss that they've worked their way up to those posts...whereas in England, as with the Premier League, we're too quick to try for the 'off the shelf' product rather than spotting a real up and coming hungry talent and giving them the platform to seek success. I think Di Matteo's teams play good football, he is very articulate, he has worked in lower leagues but has played in top teams and at international level. He knows about the cultural adaptations involved in coming from overseas to England so can support players making the same moves, and is probably hungry enough to want to succeed and make a name for himself.... Not saying it has to be him...I'm just saying that with the right management support from NESV, Comolli, Dalglish and so on doing the networking, transfer dealings, scouting and so on that a guy like Di Matteo could do well.... Shanks didn't start at the top leagues but he ad the right ideas and beliefs in himself... I would loveus to back smeone like that rather than going for someone who simply wants to add LFC to their CV of top jobs...