JohnnyH

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Oh FFS. If you want to start a thread in the Genral to continue this I'll join in. I have to say though, congratulations on managing to twist nearly ever single word I said to such an odd conculsion to try and shoe-horn them into what you wanted to rabbit on about. Somehow now I'm a bad Liverpool fan because of my opinion on marketing of a product (which is all this comes down to, a product, be it a pub, restaurant, shop, etc). Supply and demand. Idiot. By the way. Why the f*** should I show a pub any loyality? It's a pub for f***s sake.

Word for word how I feel also. If we finish with 81 ponts I'll be happy enough, however, if these points are mostly achieved in the second half of the season with another poor start and no real title challebnge then I wont be happy.

Never thought I'd like a manc so much

I agree with your post Rimbeaux. I also have no issue with bars doing what it takes to earn money. They keep my brother in work so I'm all for it. I had an issue with the Mikeys comment of "Sky in the vast majority of pubs is provided as a service to customers - not as a money making scheme" as this is a falsehood. It is a money making scheme. It's is there to keep peopel in the pub spending money. It may only be minimising loses on the cost of sky ( ipersonally don;t think it does), but it still brings in cash and as you say, it is very difficult to quantify, but on a super sunday match on sky involving Liverpool, all you have to do is look around the bar at all the people in Liverpool jerseys or cheering on Liverpool and you know that they are there becasue of sky. If you didn't have it, they would watch it somewhere else. There is then the knock on effect that people who go to the pub to watch football may also become regulars that visit when there is no football on as they now see it as their regular pub. I have a regular pub. I was there last night. It has sky and I watch football there also. If it didn't have sky I wouldn't go there. One thing my mates and me love is a sunday in the pub when you get the 2pm match, 4pm match, spansih football and then the end of the American golf. We have our dinner there and everything. Without sky we wouldn't be there. If it is £25k in the UK for sky, I'd be very surprised if you didn't get that money when you take everything into account. But that's just my opinion

Think about what you are saying. You are saying that keeping your customers happy is not a direct money making thing? Unhappy customers go somewhere else to spend their money. Happy customers stay where they are and spend their money. To suggest installing Sky is done for any other reason then to keep people happy and spending money in a pub is a total rubbish.

So you, as an "owner", make decisions solely in the best interests of your customers and not the busness?? If you are doing that as an "owner" then you wont be an "owner" for very long, however, if, as is the case, you are like every other bar "owner, and just do things that will ensure that the punters keep coming to your pub and paying you then that's fine. But please don't spin the rubbish that bar owners are providing a service to the community. FFS. "Getting sky in as a service to the customers" Pull the other one chief, it's got setanta on.

I assume that's where they'all add some of the extra 18,000 capacity, but initially there will be very little home support behind one of the goals, which I'm not overly fond of. However, the more I see of the stadium the more I think we are going to be the envy of the world.

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While they are c****. There levels of c***yness do not even come close to that cockanus Warnock.

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There's actually not. He is the biggest wizzards sleeve of a c*** in the world.

Sean Bean's a t*** n' all, but he's right about Warnock

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Did I read somewhere that we could draw Lazio?

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2139109,00.html Neil Warnock has revealed that Sir Alex Ferguson phoned him to apologise after Manchester United lost at home to West Ham United with a weakened team on the last day of last season, a result which meant that Sheffield United were relegated from the Premier League. The former Blades manager, in his new book Made in Sheffield, recounts that his secretary asked him to return a call from Ferguson and that he thought about it for an hour before finally phoning his Old Trafford counterpart. "He [Ferguson] said he was sorry about what had happened at Old Trafford. 'We battered them, Neil,' he said. 'We had 25 shots. And the stats would back me up on that. The team was good enough to win'," Warnock writes. "'I know, Alex,' I said. 'It's just the psychological boost the other team gets when they see all those names not on your team sheet.' 'I can't tell you how sorry I am,' he said. He was quoted the next day saying everything was all right between us. But it's still difficult for me to digest what happened." Warnock was bitterly disappointed when he saw the side Ferguson had picked against West Ham as his own team were preparing to play Wigan Athletic at Bramall Lane. A draw would have been enough for Sheffield to stay up but they lost 2-1 and had to rely on United beating West Ham, which they failed to do, losing 1-0 to Carlos Tevez's goal. United lost only one other league game at Old Trafford all season, in September against Arsenal. "I felt really let down," Warnock writes. "I've so much time for Sir Alex but he had said he'd play his best side against West Ham. And this was nowhere near his best side. "And then Carlos Tevez, football's equivalent of a murderer out on bail, had scored the goal that kept West Ham up and put us down. So much for the integrity of the Premier League. So much for fairness and justice in English football." __________________________ I really really f***ing hate this t*** of a man. Maybe if he could get his team of dimwitted f***wits to actually get a draw with Wigan then he would have stayed up by been a half decent manager, instead of the moany gobs***e of a prick of a man that he actually is. I sincerely hope he never gets a job in football again and f***s off back to what ever rock he crawled from under.

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My a***. Like any bar manager anywhere has ever done anything as a "Service to the customer". they get sky in to get the punters in. Just like a cheap beer promotion isn't done because the bar manager "likes" you, it's done to get more custom in and keep the regulars happy also. I mentioned that comment to my bar manager brother and all he could do was laugh.

That wasn't a c**k-up. He was trying to keep the ball in because we were 2-0 down with time running out. If we were up 2-0 he would have just palmed it over the bar for a corner. Possibly poor decision making but done with the right idea. I didn't fault him for that. It was just one of those things.