Does Kenny know how much he has to spend?

[Molby]

I'm sure I remember a quote from Kenny in which he said that a budget for the summer had not been set

 

did I dream it or did anyone else see it?

 

ludicrous if so, obviously

 

maybe I dreamed it

[Swan Red]

don't think it's ludicrous at all tbh

[smithdown]

Someone must know?

[Molby]

don't think it's ludicrous at all tbh

explain

 

Someone must know?

 

ha - to clarify: Kenny has not been given a budget

[FirstDescent]

Guess it depends on what he can get for the dross we're trying to offload and not drive the asking prices up when/if we come knocking.

[Mike]

Guess it depends on what he can get for the dross we're trying to offload and not drive the asking prices up when/if we come knocking.

 

he'd still know what he had to spend in that scenario, within reason.

[Molby]

he'd still know what he had to spend in that scenario, within reason.

 

yes

 

HAS he been set a budget, not WHAT is the budget?

[Swan Red]

I'm not sure how appropriate it is to think in terms of a budget rather the manager and DOF identifies the targets they want and the owners either sign off or they don't.

 

Like I think there will be a ceiling of sorts but I'm not sure that the manager really needs to know it.

[Mike]

I'm not sure how appropriate it is to think in terms of a budget rather the manager and DOF identifies the targets they want and the owners either sign off or they don't.

 

Like I think there will be a ceiling of sorts but I'm not sure that the manager really needs to know it.

 

i can't see that working in any management structure in any industry swan red. you have to know what you've got to work with.

[FirstDescent]

I'm not sure how appropriate it is to think in terms of a budget rather the manager and DOF identifies the targets they want and the owners either sign off or they don't.

 

Like I think there will be a ceiling of sorts but I'm not sure that the manager really needs to know it.

 

If he dosnt know we might end up with a broom and no carpet. The Keane/Barry mixup?

[Molby]

I'm not sure how appropriate it is to think in terms of a budget rather the manager and DOF identifies the targets they want and the owners either sign off or they don't.

 

Like I think there will be a ceiling of sorts but I'm not sure that the manager really needs to know it.

 

but then he can't budget/prioritise/juggle

 

eg let's say in his mind, a player mix of the following will do the trick:

 

Wickham

Downing

Adam

Clichy

Dann

 

and Ipswich want £13m, Kenny thinks £8m is reasonable but reasonable or not - that only makes sense to him in the context of how 'overpaying' might affect his strategy

 

surely one wants an overview rather than adjusting as one goes along

 

eg by the time he gets to Dann, if the transfers were done in that order, someone might tell him there is nothing left, or only £3m, and then we get no CB...or a s*** one

[Swan Red]

Budgets don't vary depending on the expected return? I just imagine that the point of taking a strategic approach to transfers is to approach each transfer in isolation and work out the value of the deal over the period of time and prioritise the purchase based on the requirement of the team.

 

I think working with specific budgets is flawed, like how do we know what we can spend on Henderson if we don't know who else we are bringing in? Like can we commit to any transfer without knowing how much other positions are going to cost.

[Molby]

Budgets don't vary depending on the expected return? I just imagine that the point of taking a strategic approach to transfers is to approach each transfer in isolation and work out the value of the deal over the period of time and prioritise the purchase based on the requirement of the team.

 

I think working with specific budgets is flawed, like how do we know what we can spend on Henderson if we don't know who else we are bringing in? Like can we commit to any transfer without knowing how much other positions are going to cost.

 

now I'm really confused

[David Hodgson]

Budgets don't vary depending on the expected return? I just imagine that the point of taking a strategic approach to transfers is to approach each transfer in isolation and work out the value of the deal over the period of time and prioritise the purchase based on the requirement of the team.

 

I think working with specific budgets is flawed, like how do we know what we can spend on Henderson if we don't know who else we are bringing in? Like can we commit to any transfer without knowing how much other positions are going to cost.

 

The truth lies somewhere in the mddle. Your assertions are valid but Kenny will have been given something of an idea of his net spend.

[Davvo]

The truth lies somewhere in the mddle. Your assertions are valid but Kenny will have been given something of an idea of his net spend.

 

I'm sure he and DC have at least a base figure to work from. Any negotiations that look like heading over budget, then perhaps there's a 'reserve' fund that needs FSG clearance on a case by case basis. eg in your Dann example, they would still have the funds they expect to get him for, as they'll have been given the 'extras' when needed on previous deals.

 

Timing of players heading out, their fee's, and the structure there of, is all going to impact who can be signed and when I should imagine. Must be a logistical nightmare unless you have a bottomless pit.

[Epic Swindle]

I'm sure the DOF does.

[Molby]

I'm thinking about this in the context of Wickham

 

if we want him and get outbid by him by Sunderland then maybe, just maybe, Kenny is being prudent as he doesn't know his budget (bad)

 

or because he does (worse)

 

Wickham - £10m

Downing - £15m

Adam - £10m

Clichy - ?

Dann - £10m

Hendo - £20m

 

that looks like £70m gross, massive question marks about getting it down to a net due to the uselessness of our potential sales (and their salaries of course)

 

see where I'm coming from? even the above would leave some people underwhelmed, although I'd be ecstatic...and still no Mata, or Sissoko (the latter leaves a bit of a hole imo, much as I like Lucas; reckon that's a position we'd be short and it would affect our options, especially viz Gerrard's role)

[Epic Swindle]

Think we need to get away from the image of of the old style manager wheeling and dealing. Kenny will have a list of players he wants and DC will be budgeting.

[Case]

I'm less concerned by budget than I am ny the players HE may have identified versus 'sokkerballvalue' alternatives identified by Commoli.

 

An example MIGHT be ...

 

Kenny would like Wickham, Enrique

Damien suggests Roux, Clichy

 

All conjecture of course, but we don't appear to be closing ANY deals at present, though there is plenty of time...

[Mike]

Think we need to get away from the image of of the old style manager wheeling and dealing. Kenny will have a list of players he wants and DC will be budgeting.

 

yes but the list of players you have is dictated by your budget ultimately

[Epic Swindle]

I don't know, all this finance stuff wrecks my head anyway. Roll on the new season.

[Falconhoof]

and the very last thing Kenny would do, apart from telling anyone a budget figure, would be to tell the press that such a budget existed.

 

He'll buy who he buys and we'll challenge for the title.

[sutty]

yes but the list of players you have is dictated by your budget ultimately

Don't agree with that actually. I'd have thought that kenny & commoli would be discussing the various weaknesses in the squad and identifying a bunch of options. There has to be some parameters obviously, but with players contracts playing such a pivotal role in a players potential transfer fee it isnt as straightforward a thing to say as the budget defines options.

 

I don't see kd or dc considering options they don't actually want just because combining with those they do comes up to a magic number.

 

I assumed when I heard kenny say that he was just doing the usual straight batting of daft questions to the press

[Maldini]

Don't see how he can know his budget until we know which the duds/unwanted we get rid of and which we don't. There's a £50m+ difference between keeping Jones, Konchesky, Poulsen, Aquilani, Meireles, Cole and N'gog and losing all of their wages and selling/getting rid of them all without paying them off (which will never happen).

[Red Kent]

Each player has a pool money set aside for them. It includes, transfer fees, signing on fee, agents fee and the wage and probably one or two more incidentals.

 

It explains why free transfers are on more money than what they should be.

 

And the players we wont to shift will never get what we pay them elsewhere.