Babel

[Guest RedIsMyColour]

He's fairly young and certainly has the ability but I am very concerned about him at the moment. He is not showing much to suggest he will be a big player for us.

 

He runs down blind alleys with little end product and doesn't look anything like threatening.

 

Hopefully he is just bedding in to a new league plus it doesn't help that he's being played out of position.

[Cobs]

he needs time and games

[The_Adder]

He's fairly young and certainly has the ability but I am very concerned about him at the moment. He is not showing much to suggest he will be a big player for us.

 

He runs down blind alleys with little end product and doesn't look anything like threatening.

 

Hopefully he is just bedding in to a new league plus it doesn't help that he's being played out of position.

 

Whats his position? I'm struggling to see what is?

 

The one position where I think he would suit is on the left of an attacking three, but we play 4-4-2 too much and when we played like that on sat he was on the right a lot of the time, altho when he cut in and had that shot it was from the left.

 

I hope it works out for him, finding it hard to see exactly where its going to be at the mo.

[Guest spk]

f***ing rediculous thread this. he's a couple of months in. it took flacky three years to sort himself out an end product. i'm not for one instance saying he's going to be anything like him, in fact i'd wager he won't be as so damn few are (c***! ), but christ the expectations of some people round here are completely rediculous.

[honourablegeorge]

Babel was the only player of ours that came close to scoring in the first half on Saturday.

 

No, he's not the finished article, and won't be for a while, but he has some ability. It's the players that are here for years and can't make a simple pass that are the problem, not still-settling-in youngsters.

[Guest RedIsMyColour]

f***ing rediculous thread this. he's a couple of months in. it took flacky three years to sort himself out an end product. i'm not for one instance saying he's going to be anything like him, in fact i'd wager he won't be as so damn few are (c***! ), but christ the expectations of some people round here are completely rediculous.

 

Ronaldo showed a lot more in his first 3 months than Babel has. Thats the concern.

 

I just hope he turns out well. Maybe a bit impatient too.

[Guest RedLegend]

Depends how he's used IMO. Just doesn't look suited to playing wide in a 4-4-2. You either play him up front or play him on one side of a front 3.

 

I think he's shown glimpses of what he's capable of so I think we have to persist with him. I thought Hleb looked awful at Arsenal last season but has been a revelation this season. We might have to be patient and allow Babel to find his role in the side.

[sutty]

I love how people are talking about building a dynasty etc, yet seem happy to judge a player after 10 minutes

[Red]

People are expecting a lot of him because of the price we paid, but it's obvious he's going to need some time because of his age and because not everyone settles into the premiership that quickly, just look at Henry and Pires at the Ar*e in their first season.

[meepins]

Ronaldo showed a lot more in his first 3 months than Babel has. Thats the concern.

 

I just hope he turns out well. Maybe a bit impatient too.

a bunch of c*nty step overs that lead to nothing.He's still as over rated as beckham and he's more despicable than beckham x neville could ever possibly be.

[sutty]

a bunch of c*nty step overs that lead to nothing.He's still as over rated as beckham and he's more despicable than beckham x neville could ever possibly be.

 

 

He's not though, is he?

[Stevie H]

Ronaldo showed a lot more in his first 3 months than Babel has. Thats the concern.

 

I just hope he turns out well. Maybe a bit impatient too.

rubbish. ronaldo was a joke his first six months here.

[The_Adder]

a bunch of c*nty step overs that lead to nothing.He's still as over rated as beckham and he's more despicable than beckham x neville could ever possibly be.

 

MOM on his debut, but enough about that c***.

 

This Babel lad is gonna be great, its just finding out where the f*** to play him.

[sutty]

Henry was s**** for a while as well

 

I'm not saying he is Henry, or Ronaldo. But they have shown that young players need time.

[Leo No.8]

Farcical to be making negative comments about him at this point considering his age and inexperience of English football.

 

What is clear to me is that as with many of the others he's suffering from the lack of proper footballers around him. Babel isn't a natural Kewell who can get it, run at pace with the ball at his feet and go past defenders. He won't leave defenders for dead and make it happen on his own so comparisons to Ronaldo are pointless.

 

Babel to me is more the type of wide player to make a yard for himself with his body movement and strength (he is extremely powerful) then play a one two in order to get behind the opposition or cut in and shoot himself. He's a completely different player, but essenitally he'd fulfil a similar role to that of Pires if he's successful out wide for us.

 

The lad needs more of what Pires had when he was such a good player for Arsenal which is midfield runners around him and better options than just giving it back to Riise to welly down the pitch. He needs a decent overlapping full back when he's out on the left and more movement up front. I'd really like to see him with Aurelio behind him because I think that could work well.

 

What Babel needs more than anything though is a fit Harry Kewell to take the pressure off his shoulders, and allow him to be eased into the English game more carefully. That way he can play a bit less, stay fresh and be used in different positions across the front line largely as an impact sub.

 

If it's not happening for Babel then that's because it shouldn't be having to happen for him yet. Injuries have pressed him into playing and being relied upon far more than he should be a few months into his career here, so I'd consider that before complaining about him and try to be more constructive.

Edited November 5, 2007 by Leo No.8

[meepins]

I'd probably pair him with Torres. It may have a more immediate impact letting him use his speed and powerful shot closer to goal.

[hideNseek]

It's not just young players its any player joining a new club. You shouldn't judge a player until his second season.

[Ronnie Whelan]

Maybe a bit impatient.

 

 

Exactly.

[CarraLegend]

"When I sign a player I don't judge him at all in the first six months. Never. I give him six months to adapt and don't put any pressure on him because I know what it takes. You have to settle and get the right level. You start to look at him really in January and February."

 

Says Arsene Wenger, the man seemingly idolised by so many on here. Shame it doesn't happen with a lot of supporters though, you have w*****s even judging players after pre season friendlies now.

[fred milne]

Ryan Babel needs time to shine - Rafa BenitezNov 5 2007

 

by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo

 

RAFA BENITEZ today admitted Ryan Babel will need time to adapt to the unique demands of English football.

 

The Dutch Under-21 star has had a largely disappointing start to his Liverpool career following his £11m move from Ajax in the summer and was again substituted during the goalless draw at Blackburn on Saturday.

 

But Benitez insists Babel has the ability to succeed at Anfield and believes it will only be a matter of time before he shows the talent which made him one of the most sought after young players in Europe.

 

He said: “We must not forget that Ryan is 20-years-old, he has come from another country and another style of football.

 

“In Holland he was playing as a winger in a 4-3-3 and with the Dutch national team he was a striker, so for him it is difficult to understand everything.

 

“But he is working hard and trying to learn.

 

“Against Cardiff I decided to use him as a striker because I thought it could be good for his confidence and he did okay with Peter Crouch.

 

“It is the same with Lucas Leiva and Sebastian Leto, they are young players and they need time.”

 

Florent Malouda was Benitez’s number one target to fill Liverpool's troublesome left wing spot in the summer but when that deal collapsed the Reds boss had no hesitation in turning his attentions to Babel, whom he considered to be a comparitively raw but potentially more talented alternative.

 

Benitez said: “Ryan’s ability to beat players was what impressed me most – he is very good at that.

 

“He likes to dribble and he likes to shoot. He has pace and power and he knows how to use his strengths and he will be important for us in the future.”

 

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[Dee]

why did we sign babel again?

[matty]

Anyone who can't see Babel's ability is probably watching the wrong sport.

 

Try hockey or polo.

[Barnesy_10]

Ronaldo showed a lot more in his first 3 months than Babel has. Thats the concern.

 

I just hope he turns out well. Maybe a bit impatient too.

 

Placcy's debut game against Bolton (i think) showed loads of promise, think he even got man of the match.

 

Reports I read on Ajax forums when we signed Babel weren't too good a read. They were saying about how amazed they were that he went for so much when he is such an average player, making comments about the poor side of his game which have been re-iterated on this forum since we got him...

[CarraLegend]

Reports I read on Ajax forums when we signed Babel weren't too good a read.

 

What like the "Gerrard isn't all that anyway" type comments when he was about to leave?

[Bootle Buck]

He's one of many attacking or creative players who have come to Anfield over the years that can't seem to ever find the same form they showed at previous teams. Wether we ask them to play different roles or expect more work from them than they have had to do in the past. Whatever, it is it seems like too many players just can't seem to express themselves and live up to their promise or potential. Maybe it's our way of playing that doesn't allow them to succeed.