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Switched to alphabetical sort for goalkeepers. At least we have an answer now.

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I'd like to think this is nonsense, but leaving out Lucas and Toure aswell was odd.

If Mignolet is better, despite most thinking he's not very good, then doesn't it make sense to bring someone in before you drop him ? If there was the remotest chance Jones had a future here, maybe, or if we'd promoted a lad from the U21 who we thought was going to make it, but neither of those are the case, so we stick with Mignolet for a month surely ?

Ha Ha, don't see anything like that here to be honest. Mignolet's problems have never been shot stopping ability, he needs dropping just not for Jones is all.

I think you've got that completely the wrong way round. Watch Jones' positioning for those goals, it's f***ing shocking, comical if he wasn't in our nets.

In terms of shot stopping, the fundamental skill of a keeper, it's about making the striker make a choice, putting doubt in his mind if you can, by staying non-committed as long as you can. De Gea showed this countless times today, Jones was beaten twice when he quite simply failed to do this, by putting himself in a poor position, making the strikers mind up, and effectively giving them an open goal. The rest of his game, I'd agree, was more impressive than Mignolet has been, for instance I liked how he was quick to distribute, rather than the hesitant Mig. However, if you can't at least put yourself in position to stop shots like those today, then you shouldn't be playing at all. Mig needs replacing, but he's a safer pair of hands than Jones, without question. Every team gives up goals, but it's unlikely we'd have conceded the first and third with those 3 you mentioned. Very unlikely.

Half arsed tracking back no doubt, but in reality he was either SG or Allen's man. Where were they ? And why were there 3 men isolated by Valencia out wide ? Coutinho and Lallana should be extra's there, neither should have responsibility for marking Rooney in that situation.

He was, De Gea did very well with a couple of his efforts.

You can't replace a poor keeper with a worse one. You persevere with the poor one til you have a replacement.

As much as I hate to sack managers, or indeed kneejerk, this is 100% correct. It's said all keepers can shot stop, and what sets the very best apart is how they control their box, and organise the defence. By that rationale, Jones is not, unfortunately, a keeper.

I want him to turn it round, but he is quite clearly making some poor decisions under a great deal of pressure.

Wish he'd waited til his replacement was through the door to be honest.

What I'm struggling with, is I can't help feeling Mig was dropped to convince him/his agent to start looking elsewhere ahead of the window opening. As poor as he's been, there's a good chance he's in a position to save goals 1 and 3. He might not have done, the first in particular was well taken, but the comical positioning/early movement of Jones, was like a 5 year old playing table football.

True, but then if you play Alan Rough the first and 3rd get saved. Lucas should have started, Toure should have started, Markovic should have started, and we should have had a back four.

I think it's possibly an accumulation. How long do you keep saying, we played really well, but mistakes at he back, poor finishing, great keeper, and a dumb official cost us ? Sooner or later, the caveat's become the norm, and I've no idea at what point that is, but we must be getting close when you look at our record infront of both goals.

They virtually copied the Spurs blueprint of the previous Summer. Needed half as many players in, for bigger fees and on bigger wages. Keep some of those we've loaned out to fill the squad, and upgrade slowly over the next 2 or 3 seasons. You either buy cheap potential, or expensive proven talent, not a bunch £20M maybe's.

There is, and while there can be no doubt we were largely the better side in possession, it counts for absolutely nothing. This game is about not making mistakes at the back, and clinical finishing. Without either of those for such a long period of time, serious questions need asking.

Not a clue, but the reports of Murphy's comments said all of the above were within last 18 months.

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Henderson, Flanagan, Sterling, and Skrtel apparently. Think his comments were about protracted/unsatisfactory negotiations, rather then lack of any offers at all.

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