I am not lying and I don't appreciate you questioning my honesty. Why would I lie? What would I gain from doing so? I have been to about 15 England games and I can honestly say that I've not heard those chants. They were a while ago admittedly ('98 to '01) so things may have changed. I haven't been to any against Turkey or since we played them so I'll accept that "i'd rather be a paki than a Turk" may now be sung by a few d****eads. Personally, I've not heard either though. I'm not saying some of it wasn't sung, I didn't hear it though. Afterall, I would have said the Liverpool fans behaved themselves at Old Trafford for the semi but when I got home I found out about all the horrible grafitti in the toilets. The England games I went to all had a good atmospheres with a friendly, family feel. Not all England fans are skin heads with tattoos on their faces and your constant stereotyping is laughably inaccurate. There's a minority like that, as there is within every set of fans.