It is nice to read some positive comments after everything thats been going on. I would like to say I stand behind the manager until the end, but I'm not so sure now. I also accept that the frustration to win the Premiership is bound to continue regardless of whether Rafa stays or goes. I just wish Rafa didn't go round saying things like we'll get 4th place. The difference this time (as compared with GH, for example) is that I'd be more scared then excited about who would come in afterwards. More importantly, as being expanded on in another thread, I'm more concerned about the future of the club itself, then its manager. But going back to Rafa, how long do you let it go on? How long is too long? It's been 5 years, wasn't that the 'plan' the club had? I guess the new owners arriving and everything else has changed things. Basically its a catch 22, I think we'll be damned if he leaves, damned if he stays at the moment, unless investment can be found - then it will be a different situation. Graham Taylor mentioned something yesterday during the match that I think rings true for me - by all means have a game plan, by all means ensure you have tactic awareness, but let your players play their game a bit more, don't be too restrictive