Paddy 66

and in the real world.........

No he hasn't, I agree the threads that bang on about how we are the victims of a conspriacy are ridiculous a bit like your claim about Carra. Not a dig at you but why use one ridiculous claim to try and prove your point???

Well them not answering emails isn't fair enough, in fact is appalling. People are wrong about them ignoring you because you aren't a scouser etc, but I kind of understand it as the most consistent item on the new section of the website isn't the owners but coach travel for locals. It doesn't help how SOS are being percieved, they really aren't concious enough about how people view them, until they portray a more emcompassing and proffessional organisation I dont see them being anytihng other than a well meaning but largely ineffective protest group.

I've moaned on here but I have also sent emails in the past which have been ignored, so why should I bother to keep sending them, if SOS don't bother to even reply? If you ask for an opinion in a thread, don't get wound up when people give you the reasons as to why they haven't joined. What did you expect them to answer, its a brilliant organisation who are doing a wonderful job but I just haven't gor round to joining upo yet? Of course people are going to put negative comments as to why they haven't joined, if the negative answers wind you up, don't ask the question.

Or they send emails, dont get a reply, so think sod it I'll have a moan on a thread asking if you are a member of SOS and if not, why not, only to be criticised when they give their opinion. Do you not see how that might just wind people up, not the best way to persuade people to join or even remain members. I want them to concentrate on buidling momentum up about getting rid of the owners, not just the occassional protest/billboard we have now. I dont care about their other activities, in fact I think they are a distraction and are rightly percieved as such by people.

So that would be what 4 games at 40000 a match hardly consistent is it? Look believe what you want, I think they are a busted flush and will achieve nothing. Does it make me happy? No it doesn't, but the billboard campaign just highlights how ineffective they are.

SOS originally said when they were criticised about not being proactive enough was they had asked a media consultant for advice and were told to stop people getting bored of the issue, to be reactive about the ownership issue not proactive. Whoever gave them that piece of advice were wrong pure and simple and those running SOS were daft in following that advice. They need to build pressure and momentum, something they have singularly failed to do. The campaign has stagnated, how many Liverpool fans actually know about what SOS stand for? I think the answer would be not that many, which is shameful.

I was a member but haven't renewed as I think in all honesty there disjointed approach isn't going to achieve anything and their failure to actually put together a well thought out planned form of protests that will engage our fans, let alone the press is very poor. They have tried to be a catch all organisation rather than the single issue organisation they should have been.

Yes I do watch football, and us. Typical you cant actually answer the points raised, so come out with the simpletons reposte of "Do you watch football". If you think Babel is the answer then fine, you are completely wrong but each to their own.

Yes because thats what happened............not.

Thats not what I'm saying and you know it, I haven't seen anything from Babel to think he is the answer to our problems. Nice to see you are using the popular scapegoats as examples, if you think Babel is the answer then you are wrong.

Ha Ha I remeber the way you reacted when I accused you of wanting him sacked. I wont agree with you because I'll be honest in my opinion and have been critical of Rafa but you only admit to wanting Rafa gone when it becomes a more popular opinion. Thats the truth of it but you will never admit it.

When has Babel ever really produced the kind of football to make him somebody you would want to start, the answer is very rarely and he certainly isn't somebody I would be putting my hopes on but you probably will, now he has become the popular answer.

Oh f**k off Wayne you idiot, you only claimed to think Rafa was the best man for the job after he was appointed. A bit like you only admitted to wanting him out when it became more popular, you actually copped the hump when you tested the water about him getting the boot and people called you for it. If you think I'd be happy for anyone to drag the club to the bottom then you are just being a t**t. So supporting Rafa, the manager of our club who finished runner up last year is a crime then so be it I'm glad I show a bit of loyalty and don't show my actual feelings until I see which way the majority appear to be going like you.

Jesus thats the way to make a point.....not

Ha hsa you are full of s**t, I was never against the appointment of Rafa, the conversation once Ged had gone was who was going to replace him and then magically once Rafa had been appointed you declared he was the man you would have made manager, despite never having mentioned him.

I'm sorry but how the hell do you say Babel looked good again tonight, he showed why he shouldn't start. He showed one or two good things but was poor the rest of the time, lets stop pretending he is something clearly he isn't, Monday night I would start Riera on the left.

If Rafa doesn't go I fear for yours. So I'm hoping I am fearing for your mental well being.

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But as a form of protest and a way of grabbing the media attnetion and building momentum it has work very well, far better than anything SOS have managed so far, neither MUST or SOS are going to force the owners to sell but its about raising the profile of the campaign, to try and put pressure on the financial people, something SOS having pretty much failed at. Any protest or action needs to be continuous to keep the profile high within the own fan base and the media, the scarf campaign has worked in both respects, it will be interesting to see how they keep this going during the summer. SOS hold a couple of protests a season, a couple of meetings with Purslow etc, build no momentum and no real long term media buy in. Well I suppose they have arranged some cheap travel. I think more telling about the difference in campaigns is that I suspect there are probably more of our fans who know about the Manc protests than the billboards etc SOS have done.

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Are you sure, its not like their debt and repayments were really that much of a shock. But still doesn't take away from the fact they have captured the medias attention in a way SOS can only dream of, but at least they have got cheaper travel for a few.

SOS have called for a meeting for those interested in assisitng in campaigns and action taken in the future, no doubt the press will report that one..... Sorry but SOS has been going for a hell a lot longer than the mancs campaign but have failed to get anywhere near the media interest the mancs have. The demonstrations etc have been too disjointed, with far too much time inbetween them, so there has been no momentum. In fact they have allowed themsleves to become side tracked by other non owenrship issues, in reality the mancs have put them to shame. Unfortunately the fears of some regarding the ineffectiveness of SOS have become a reality.

Wayne, stop trying to be clever to score cheap points, you know full well what I meant with the injuries, you have to accept as well there have been a number of games where we have played players who are clearly short of match fitness. There have been too many games which have been poor but unlike you I'm prepared to give him another season, we came close last year thats why I think he is the correct man for the job. With your way of thinking if a club challenges for the tilte then has a poor season, the manager has to go or what happens if the next manager comes in and does no better, does he go as well.

Of course I do, yes and I did watch it at the weekend and the Man Utd fans in the pub were moaning how poor they looked without Rooney. Where did you get that stat from because according to the BBC website its 18. I dont think its that high or as low as the 4 you have found.