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lol, is it it Torres's fault now? Cant come out and slate him can he...though not defending him was equally as bad. So we are 16th in the league, struggling to score or create chances... Can i make a suggestion, that Roy "out of his f***ing depth" Hodgson leaves now and saves us from another weekend of misery. If Torres is not playing, that probably means Kuyt upfront with Maxi on the wing...

Yes i agree, to me he looks like someone that is arrogant, he has total belief in a system he has been developing for over 30 odd years and doesnt think he needs to change it. If it doesnt work then its the players fault, he told them what to do...they didnt do it...lets drop them. Did you catch his comment re the team that played Northampton being a "b" team...what a great way to inspire your squad, pathetic.

Yep, so defensive - tbh it wont help him, if he cant deal with the press now then it can only get worse imo.

Not really tbh, for me it was another example of just how far out of his depth he is, he couldnt answer the question about his approach, kept deflecting and saying he didnt know what they meant. He then went on to say that everyone at the club hopes that the ownership situation will be resolved....but he doesnt want to hide behind that....but thats exactly what he did by bringing it up.

Is it wrong to log on everyday and hope that there is actually going to be some truth or substantiated rerport to back up title of this thread....sadly enough thats how i feel atm.

He is doing a great job of talking himself out of a job, I dont think we will see many people singing his name or marching in his support if there were rumours abound that he was going to be sacked, actually I expect it would be quite the opposite.

WHAT?!!! Jaysus, can someone please stop him talking to the press...its got to a point where i am just laughing now, I want him out

Nope, if anything its getting worse by the day, each game and everytime he talks to the press

Yes he blamed himself for picking them iirc, ie I picked them so they should have been good enough to win....he then went on to say that they didnt perform as he hoped and they needed to prove themselves to him.

TB in the times (taken off TLW, dont have the link to the original story) TB in The Times What Roy Hodgson must do next to stave off crisis at Anfield Adopt a more adventurous tactical approach No shots on target throughout Wednesday’s abject second-half performance against Northampton Town, a team ranked 69 League places below them, is as damning a statistic as is possible for a club of Liverpool’s grandeur and expectations. It was not a one-off, either, as in both their previous Barclays Premier League matches, against Manchester United and Birmingham City, Liverpool failed to create any chances of real note from open play. An obvious lack of strength in depth in attack is part of the problem, but Hodgson’s strategy of sitting deep and not pressing play is also contributing to their impotence. With just four goals scored from their opening five league games — only Wigan Athletic and West Ham United have scored fewer, while Blackpool have struck twice as many — the need for greater urgency going forward is obvious. Make more positive public pronouncements Before Liverpool played Manchester City, Hodgson said that he hoped to avoid a 6-0 defeat. It was a tongue-in-cheek, throwaway line after a number of Premier League matches had ended in that scoreline the previous weekend, but it also fitted in with a pattern in which he dampens expectations before and after games. “My expectations were not that high anyway,” Hodgson said after a goalless draw away to Birmingham. Avoiding a heavy defeat was his aim before a pre-season friendly against Al Hilal, which was postponed because of heavy rain, while Northampton were billed as “formidable” opponents before the Carling Cup third-round tie. Were Liverpool on a supreme run of form, such pronouncements would not be a problem, but when sixteenth in the Premier League they smack of negativity, particularly at a club whose managers traditionally have an unshakeable belief in their players, in public at least. Solve the longstanding left-back problem Different players, same old problem. When Courtney Herbert danced around Danny Wilson to set up Northampton’s second goal it evoked recent painful memories of Paul Konchesky being given a torrid time by Nani and Daniel Agger being taken to the cleaners by Adam Johnson. The likelihood is that neither Agger nor Wilson is best suited to playing left back, while Konchesky is only in the early stages of his Liverpool career and deserves the chance to find his feet. The latter needs a consistent run in the side, although the physical frailty of Fábio Aurélio, who was re-signed in the summer despite the longstanding injury concerns that prompted his initial release, makes it difficult for Hodgson to risk Konchesky in anything other than league games. But at least he now knows that his central defenders do not make ideal auxiliary left backs. Stop showing faith in players who are not good enough When Liverpool failed to bring in a centre forward in the most recent transfer window, Hodgson insisted it was not a serious problem because he could still call on Ryan Babel, who, according to the Liverpool manager, had “never been given a proper chance” to prove himself in that position. Babel’s performance against Northampton proved why because he made no impact whatsoever against npower League Two opponents before being substituted to a chorus of boos. “I failed personally,” Babel said on Twitter yesterday. It was a similar story in the Europa League play-off against Trabzonspor at Anfield, only for the cracks to be papered over when the Holland forward scored. Perseverance is no longer an option. Give Fernando Torres the support he requires On and off the pitch, the growing feeling is that Torres is lacking in the support he needs to reaffirm his reputation as one of the world’s most feared strikers. Hodgson had the chance to offer him verbal backing at the weekend when Sir Alex Ferguson accused the forward of cheating, only for the Liverpool manager to fail to offer a defence of his player. It is a similar story on the pitch, where Torres cuts an increasingly isolated figure, deprived of the kind of backup that comes with a more adventurous attacking approach and which would allow him to play on the shoulder of the last defender, the position in which he thrives the most, more regularly. Torres has scored only once in six appearances for the club this season. Great article imo, and relevant to both threads

What a joke, blame the players....pathetic excuse for a manager we have atm

Yes, thats what i was saying

TB in the times (taken off TLW, dont have the link to the original story) TB in The Times What Roy Hodgson must do next to stave off crisis at Anfield Adopt a more adventurous tactical approach No shots on target throughout Wednesday’s abject second-half performance against Northampton Town, a team ranked 69 League places below them, is as damning a statistic as is possible for a club of Liverpool’s grandeur and expectations. It was not a one-off, either, as in both their previous Barclays Premier League matches, against Manchester United and Birmingham City, Liverpool failed to create any chances of real note from open play. An obvious lack of strength in depth in attack is part of the problem, but Hodgson’s strategy of sitting deep and not pressing play is also contributing to their impotence. With just four goals scored from their opening five league games — only Wigan Athletic and West Ham United have scored fewer, while Blackpool have struck twice as many — the need for greater urgency going forward is obvious. Make more positive public pronouncements Before Liverpool played Manchester City, Hodgson said that he hoped to avoid a 6-0 defeat. It was a tongue-in-cheek, throwaway line after a number of Premier League matches had ended in that scoreline the previous weekend, but it also fitted in with a pattern in which he dampens expectations before and after games. “My expectations were not that high anyway,” Hodgson said after a goalless draw away to Birmingham. Avoiding a heavy defeat was his aim before a pre-season friendly against Al Hilal, which was postponed because of heavy rain, while Northampton were billed as “formidable” opponents before the Carling Cup third-round tie. Were Liverpool on a supreme run of form, such pronouncements would not be a problem, but when sixteenth in the Premier League they smack of negativity, particularly at a club whose managers traditionally have an unshakeable belief in their players, in public at least. Solve the longstanding left-back problem Different players, same old problem. When Courtney Herbert danced around Danny Wilson to set up Northampton’s second goal it evoked recent painful memories of Paul Konchesky being given a torrid time by Nani and Daniel Agger being taken to the cleaners by Adam Johnson. The likelihood is that neither Agger nor Wilson is best suited to playing left back, while Konchesky is only in the early stages of his Liverpool career and deserves the chance to find his feet. The latter needs a consistent run in the side, although the physical frailty of Fábio Aurélio, who was re-signed in the summer despite the longstanding injury concerns that prompted his initial release, makes it difficult for Hodgson to risk Konchesky in anything other than league games. But at least he now knows that his central defenders do not make ideal auxiliary left backs. Stop showing faith in players who are not good enough When Liverpool failed to bring in a centre forward in the most recent transfer window, Hodgson insisted it was not a serious problem because he could still call on Ryan Babel, who, according to the Liverpool manager, had “never been given a proper chance” to prove himself in that position. Babel’s performance against Northampton proved why because he made no impact whatsoever against npower League Two opponents before being substituted to a chorus of boos. “I failed personally,” Babel said on Twitter yesterday. It was a similar story in the Europa League play-off against Trabzonspor at Anfield, only for the cracks to be papered over when the Holland forward scored. Perseverance is no longer an option. Give Fernando Torres the support he requires On and off the pitch, the growing feeling is that Torres is lacking in the support he needs to reaffirm his reputation as one of the world’s most feared strikers. Hodgson had the chance to offer him verbal backing at the weekend when Sir Alex Ferguson accused the forward of cheating, only for the Liverpool manager to fail to offer a defence of his player. It is a similar story on the pitch, where Torres cuts an increasingly isolated figure, deprived of the kind of backup that comes with a more adventurous attacking approach and which would allow him to play on the shoulder of the last defender, the position in which he thrives the most, more regularly. Torres has scored only once in six appearances for the club this season. Spot on imo, TB saying it how it is shocker, also re the LB problem...why did we sign Aurelio if he is not actually going to play? He is a much better option than PFK, is he injured?

Very true, its quite ironic really...the results and performances have been so bad that people are getting annoyed, disenchanted and in most cases directing it at the owners. I actually think its a bit of both, some are directing there anger at the clubs owners and others have all but given up on Roy already and are not coming to games. Its just being perceived as being a boycott etc...

They were never going to appoint Kenny, if anyone could get the fans behind him and therefore against the H&G it would be him...

Dont be silly, that wins you nothing...other than a CL, Fa Cup and some pride

Well he shifted the blame for Northampton onto the players...I am sure he is supremely confident in his tactics, hence the frustration during the Northampton game...throwing off his jacket and doing a impression of Steve Mclaren

We all knew this would happen, he is english so they wont blame him (yet)...its all Rafa's fault...not the tactics or team selection...

Yes definitely, Yanks out, closely followed by Roy.

I am definitely not taking any glee from this, I am just really angry, we sacked one of the best managers in our history...replace him with a mediocre, tactical nieve mid table manager. What is really pissing me off is this whole situation could have been avoided. Yes it did look like Rafa had lost the dressing room last season, but at least replace him with someone of equal or upcoming potential, Pellegrini would have been my choice. Yes he could have failed and I expect we would have struggled early doors, but it would have been because of him getting used to the PL and not lack of ability.... Not only that if we had appointed someone with no PL experience I am sure all of us would be giving him more time and not calling for him to be sacked after a few months. RH doesnt even qualify for the "i am getting used to the PL and english football system" excuse...

Yep, quote from the his post match interview: "But it's enough for me to say I am very disappointed and you can see that on my face. I did not expect to be sitting here having lost a penalty shootout, which is the worst possible way of losing matches I can assure you. I have lost a UEFA Cup final on penalties, so I know how bitter they are, what a lottery they are and what damage they can do to the players who miss them.

I thought it was quite pathetic that good ol Roy took it upon himself to try and remind everyone what he had achieved in a - thats right i guided fulham to a UEFA cup final so I know what i am talking about - kinda way, thats what all top managers do, talk about there past achievements when they have just been knocked out by some part timers from league 2....

Good post, I agree with this, his post match interviews and comments are terrible, and unfortunately they indicate the lack of class in the man. When things start going wrong the aim would be to bring the players closer together, get to them gel and get that siege mentality going. Tonight he just came out and said it was there fault, which to me indicates that he is heaping the majority of the blame on them and not his tactics or system. Also I know people keep bringing it up...but his failure to stand up for Torres really pissed me off. So far we have tactical nievete and now cowardly, what a great manager we have, please leave now before you do any more damage.

He said: "The fact is these players have to accept responsibility. I have to accept responsibility for changing a lot of players in the team, but I did it because I thought the players I put on the field would be good enough to go out and win the game. "They weren't, so the obvious conclusion to that is that I shouldn't have changed so many players and should have let some of those players who played against Manchester United play tonight, but I honestly believed the team we put out on the field would have been strong enough to get a result. "But we weren't and that's because we didn't play well enough, didn't pass the ball well enough throughout the game and you must give some credit to Northampton who worked extremely hard and I'm sure they'll go away feeling they have stolen nothing here tonight and were worth their victory." He continued: "They (the players) will have to do a lot of work to get themselves back into favour, but it's early doors for some of them. Some of the players who played tonight are still quite young. Thats right its all the players fault, not yours at all the tactics you employed or your lack of ability to make a change when things obviously werent working. Then to go on and say that the players will need to do alot to gain his confidence again, what has he done to gain theres or ours for that matter? Incompetent, mediocre, cowardly fool who doesnt deserve the job, "nice guy" but just not good enough.

Against Northampton - FFS, what a joke we are becoming. I can picture it now, knocking the ball around in our own half not really doing anything with it and then hitting it long and hoping...