Fagan

Having read each and every post on this thread I have come to the conclusion that Kay's artcle is totally unbalancd and unfair to magnify his criticism on us after years of taking abuse, however, notwithstanding that, for fellow fans to be referring to all of us as murderers is totally wrong. I understand the mindset behind it, but it is not justification. its just a really thick thing to do, its totally counterproductive and its offensive to those of us who don;t want t be referred to as murderers by other fans let alone our own even if it is done in irony and in order to shut opposiing fans up. its fundamentally wrong from first principles of basic common sense, decency and humanity. and yes think it is that serious. I may be hammered by some on here who think perhaps im not entitled to crticise as i'm not a STH or can get to every game, but thats a weak defence, all it says it that you think im not entitled to be right, even if i am

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=nFnLpXzkw4Y

the oddest thing is that it s one of the shortest articles hes ever written, it looks lke it took about 3 minutes to write. he could have done a double page spread on this topic and yet didnt. In those circumstances you have to questin his motives, journalists are supposed to seek out the truth, he clearly hasnt here and he must know it.

has anyone written to him i wonder, it does seem totally unbalanced and out of context. although i am slightly uncomfortable at the thought of singing that myself, but i understand fully the thought process behind it

apoligies if this is elsewhere, i looked and didnt find it. is it true our fans were shouting '2-0 to the murders' as is reported below? Link Before kick-off at Goodison Park on Saturday, officials from Everton and Liverpool gathered on the pitch to release 200 purple balloons under a banner that said: “Liverpool Unites”. As most of the balloons stayed in their sack, you wondered whether someone was trying to tell the local newspaper that their campaign to unite red and blue might struggle to get off the ground. There has been a certain amount of revisionism on Merseyside in recent years about the “myth” of the friendly derby. According to some, the convivial Everton-Liverpool Cup Finals of the 1980s caught them at a moment of weakness and, had it not been that the city was being downtrodden by the government, the two sets of fans would not have stood side by side at Wembley chanting “Merseyside, Merseyside” and “Are you watching, Manchester?” However superficial that sense of Scouse solidarity may or may not have been at the time, that historical context is inevitable when charting the deterioration of a rivalry that has reached the gutter. On Saturday we had all the usual bile (the chilling “Murderers” chants, the gestures to signify the deaths at Heysel and Hillsborough, the distasteful abuse of Joleon Lescott and of Steven Gerrard’s family) and then, most depressingly of all, the new and hopefully short-lived phenomenon of Liverpool supporters chanting “2-0 to the murderers”. Jamie Carragher, born an Evertonian, but now the quintessential Liverpudlian, uses his experience on both sides of the divide to make some searing observations on the rivalry in his autobiography. He uses words such as “sinister”, “vile” and “inexcusable”. Heaven only knows what Carragher made of the moment on Saturday when Liverpool supporters stooped lower than a snake’s belly with their own take on the “Murderers” chant. According to some in the away end, it was a post-ironic take on Everton supporters’ perceived obsession with Heysel and its supposed repercussions for their club as they went into decline shortly after English clubs were banned from European competition. Whatever, it sounded truly awful. There is no humour any more. Where once there was respect and gentle mickey-taking (“He’s fat, he’s s***, he’ s never f***ing fit, Peter Reid”), now there are personal attacks on men such as Gerrard based not on humour but on vicious and unfounded rumour. One less offensive rumour is that the Liverpool captain had a vest declaring “I’m the daddy” to show off in case he scored his 100th goal for the club on Saturday. That would have shut them up, but not, you suspect, for long.

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you cant sell your private life to a magasine like OK or Hello and then demand privacy from the hacks who can get it for free. you never see your jamie carraghers or roy keane's of this world whoring their private lives out to the press and in retrn they never get their private lives, holdays or kids snapped in the papers. i suspect stevie does it for his mrs who probably wants a bit of a profile and to keep up with the other high prfile 'wags'. he also has a bit of an ego himself, but sure who wouldnt if you were captain of the greatest club on the planet!

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To play devils advocate here... I said to a mate after saturdays win, that the ONLY negative about the win, if there even was a negative, was that we had to go a goal behind to start playing. Its something ive noticed about the team over the last few years, that in the face of adversity they rise to the challenge. However, more often than not, we will not be able to afford to go a goal down before we start playing, especially f the goal is scored against us late on in the game. We need to take the game by the scruff of the neck from the off. Anyway, im only just sounding off the negatives here, saturdays result was superb, the performance was even more satisfying, to then go away from home in the CL days later and win is also superb. A good thrashing of stoke now would really get the momentum flying.

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