Manc Scum

[Odda]

What did it say?

[Gray - YPC]

They can stick their moral high ground up their a***

Mate... Did you see the state the place was left in? We can stick our moral high ground up our a*** as well!!

[anny road]

aye i think we can get rid of anyone taking any moral high ground anymore

 

the gloves are well and truly off

[Pam]

given the amount of Munich and Shipman singing being done & the defacing of the ground and that pub, we have little scope for taking the moral high ground. We have morons amongst our fans just like Man Utd and Chelsea.

[brucelee]

given the amount of Munich and Shipman singing being done & the defacing of the ground and that pub, we have little scope for taking the moral high ground. We have morons amongst our fans just like Man Utd and Chelsea.

 

 

 

morons

Edited April 23, 2006 by kjetil99

[Mike]

hanging banners about hillsborough along the m62...

you reap what you sow, manc scum.

[Barnesy_10]

We were stuck in traffic on the M602 and on the wall alongside the road there was 'Hillsboro' Scouse Scum' sprayed on it..

saw loads from our lot in the ground, took a few pics on my phone.

Edited April 23, 2006 by Barnesy_10

[Guest L4 Lad]

they have a go about hillsborough and michael shields, we have a go about munich and do their dump of a ground in.

 

neither side is right but fighting fire with fire is what these c*nts understand

[Guest Kev]

they have a go about hillsborough and michael shields, we have a go about munich and do their dump of a ground in.

 

neither side is right but fighting fire with fire is what these c*nts understand

 

In a nutshell.

[Guest snez1]

w*****s on both sides - disgusting to even think about bringing Hillsborough or Munich into it.

[kop205]

they have a go about hillsborough and michael shields, we have a go about munich and do their dump of a ground in.

 

neither side is right but fighting fire with fire is what these c*nts understand

 

f***ing b******s.

 

Don't you think the Mancs tell themselves exactly the same thing? 'Only thing those scouse c**** will understand'. It is playground stuff - 'They started it...'

 

If something isn't right, you don't do it. End of. If you think that it IS right to sing about Munich, Shipman etc because of what they sing about Shields/Hillsborough etc then say that and we can have that debate.

 

If you don't think it is right, then don't semi-condone it by pointing out the wrongs that they do.

 

People who sing about Hillsborough are behaving like w*****s, irrespective of provocation. Likewise people who sing about Munich. Why complicate something that is so simple and so self-evident?

[Guest L4 Lad]

i don't condone what goes on with the rivalry but if mindless idiots want to have a go then those who respond with the same type of abuse are as mindless and idiotic as those who they are retaliating to.

[Snookie]

they have a go about hillsborough and michael shields, we have a go about munich and do their dump of a ground in.

 

neither side is right but fighting fire with fire is what these c*nts understand

 

Utter, utter nonsense.

[Guest L4 Lad]

see previous comment

[RP]

About time football was wrestled back from the nouveau supporters IMO.

[psl]

About time football was wrestled back from the nouveau supporters IMO.

 

Those of us who see a problem with singing about mass murder and the death of 96 innocents at a football ground?

[RP]

No those who get upset at the fact that we hate them and they hate us - that's the way it always has been, long may it contine.

 

Of course it can go too far, but it's only natural that such behaviour does go to extremes before being reined in again. If, in the process, it gets rid of a few 'jesters hats' then that's fine by me.

[Guest Kev]

Of course it can go too far, but it's only natural that such behaviour does go to extremes before being reined in again. If, in the process, it gets rid of a few 'jesters hats' then that's fine by me.

 

[psl]

No those who get upset at the fact that we hate them and they hate us - that's the way it always has been, long may it contine.

 

Of course it can go too far, but it's only natural that such behaviour does go to extremes before being reined in again. If, in the process, it gets rid of a few 'jesters hats' then that's fine by me.

 

Ok, fair enough. I've no problem with the hatred and would hate to see it disappear. A line should always remain in place in my opinion though.

[RP]

A line must of course remain in place.

 

But then again, no point having a line unless it gets crossed every once in a while, eh?

 

By the way, what time do the c***s kick-off today? I want to try and imagine the scene as they arrive at their ground and see the desolation.

[Guest YKI]

We're supposed to be mature, rational adults. What with the "they did this so we can do that" menality? What those t***ts do is wrong and what those t***ts amongst our ranks did is wrong too. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

Edited April 23, 2006 by YKI

[kop205]

i don't condone what goes on with the rivalry but if mindless idiots want to have a go then those who respond with the same type of abuse are as mindless and idiotic as those who they are retaliating to.

 

Precisely what you weren't saying in your previous post, where you spoke about 'fighting fire with fire being the only language those c**** understand'.

 

Anything that starts 'Neither side is right, but...' is always going to at least partially condone what happens on the basis of drawing attention to what the 'other side' do.

 

It just isn't relevant as any sort of 'justification'. Anyone who sings Munich songs loses any right to take offence at people making Hillsborough banners and vice-versa. They are ALL behaving like c****. Like I said, it really isn't difficult and I don't see any grey areas or mitigating factors.

 

If that makes me a 'nouveau supporter' (I assume that the term is being used to refer to those who speak out against stuff like this) then fine, despite the fact that I've gone to the game for years and am more than aware of and in no way 'shocked' by what goes on.

 

We had a thread the other day where I argued that people who sing Munich songs, smash up OT etc can still in many sense be calssed as real fans. Well, I think it is possible to object to that sort of thing too without automatically becoming a 'nouveau supporter' from whom the game needs to be wrestled back.

 

This type of s*** always has and always will go on, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I've no wish to skip hand-in-hand up Matt Busby Way with the Salford Reds, wishing each other good luck. I'm happy for there to be an intense rivalry. Maybe I draw the line earlier than some others, but spare me the patronising 'nouveau supporter' stuff.

[RP]

If the nouveau supporter tag doesn't apply to you, then why get upset by it??

 

When using it, I was (alzily) referring to the 'jesters hats brigade' who go to the game nowadays to be entertained, or the creeping gentrification of football.

 

If the cap doesn't fit, don't take any notice of it.

[SkippyjonJones]

1) trashing someone elses stadium is totally out of order and its a f***ing disgrace when its our fans that did it.

 

 

2) It was the mancs stadium

 

 

given number 2) I'm struggling to agree with with my own comments on point 1)

[kop205]

No those who get upset at the fact that we hate them and they hate us - that's the way it always has been, long may it contine.

 

 

 

I don't know anyone who gets upset by that. It is perfectly possible to hate them with a passion but still disagree with 'Munich 58' and 'Shipman is our King' being scrawled on the walls of their ground, so to immediately wade in with the 'nouveau supporter' line is irrelevant. I'd agree that there is an element of 'nouveau support' that has changed the game, and not for the better. I disagree that one of their hallmarks is that they ncessarilly object to stuff like this.