So John L

[Ripley]

Who will have your support?

 

Presumably Chelsea?

[Cobs]

 

you need to ask?

[Swan Red]

John has stated previously that he can't wait for Chelsea to overtake Manchester Uniteds and Forests record in Europe

[sammy & a]

If Chelsea go out in the second round of this competition it damages their European standing - if they go on to win it it increases it. Makes it easier for them to tempt Shevchenko and Adriano to Stamford Bridge. They have only really secured one proven world class player thus far. Barca roundly beating them will continue to make it difficult for them to look like European giants and will make our league progress next year a little easier as well as keeping our trophy haul above theirs in Europe. I can't see how, even practically, backing Chelsea is a good thing.

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yes but barca players do things like bacheels and nutmegs and 15 pass moves and that goes against everything John L stands for. You can't expect a man to sacrifice all his principles on a whim.

 

For me the equation goes. I hate chelsea. I want chelsea to lose.

 

Not very complicated i know but heartfelt nonetheless. Imagine losing to chelsea or chelsea winning anything. it's too horrible.

[Gilps]

Barcelona are also our rivals for European trophies so the argument about Chelsea enhancing their squad on the back of European success applies to them as well.

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It would hurt a lot less to see Barcelona lift another European Cup than to see Chelsea lift their first.

 

Only your hatred of Cruyff's footballing philosophy could blind you to that.

[Stevie H]

That IS the greater good!

 

More seriously. Barcelona are also our rivals for European trophies so the argument about Chelsea enhancing their squad on the back of European success applies to them as well.

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disagree. barcelona are not our rival in terms of european trophies, we've won comfortably more than they have. we're chasing madrid now.

[Gilps]

Crespo?

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Makelele, surely?

[Stevie H]

Makelele, surely?

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would give them cech, makelele, crespo, gallas. maybe even veron although he was on the downslope from the mancs when they bought him.

[John am Rhein]

disagree.  barcelona are not our rival in terms of european trophies, we've won comfortably more than they have.  we're chasing madrid now.

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Well that's true - although you wouldn't know it given the respect Barcelona (European Cup winning equals of Aston Villa and Red Star Belgrade) seem to command - even from Liverpool fans, FFS.

 

But what I meant was that Barcelona are among our rivals for future European trophies, including this season.

[Cobs]

disagree.  barcelona are not our rival in terms of european trophies, we've won comfortably more than they have. 

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neither are Chelsea by the same token.

 

Unless Man U are involved, i look at these things from a Liverpool perspective - and i think it increases are chances of retaining our trophy for Chelsea to knock Barca out.

[John am Rhein]

It would hurt a lot less to see Barcelona lift another European Cup than to see Chelsea lift their first.

 

Only your hatred of Cruyff's footballing philosophy could blind you to that.

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It's not just Cruyff. That whole club and its supporters has the same attitude.

[Stevie H]

i don't agree on a football front because i think we'd have a better chance of knocking out barca over two legs than chelsea, and i don't agree on a practical front because i don't live surrounded by f***ing gobsh*te barcelona fans.

[cymrococh]

Makelele, surely?

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That's who I'd say as well, but Knox mentions Crespo in another thread.

 

And don't call me Shirley

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[Gilps]

neither are Chelsea by the same token.

 

Unless Man U are involved, i look at these things from a Liverpool perspective - and i think it increases are chances of retaining our trophy for Chelsea to knock Barca out.

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But to be fair, you're almost as much a Chelsea fan as John is.

[John am Rhein]

There's also the argument that English clubs doing well (even Scum U) helps because it increases/maintains the English League's 4 qualifying places and, therefore, increases our chances of qualifying.

 

However, that's negligible compared to my hopes that Barcelona will crash and burn

[Cobs]

i don't agree on a football front because i think we'd have a better chance of knocking out barca over two legs than chelsea,

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why so?

[John am Rhein]

But to be fair, you're almost as much a Chelsea fan as John is.

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That's right. You'll often see me and Cobs on the Shed of a Saturday afternoon.

[Swan Red]

I also think we may be getting a little ahead of ourselves in thinking that Chelsea will be an easier team to get through than Barcelona.

[Cobs]

But to be fair, you're almost as much a Chelsea fan as John is.

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bolllocks

 

I'm a much bigger Chelsea fan than him

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I also think we may be getting a little ahead of ourselves in thinking that Chelsea will be an easier team to get through than Barcelona.

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i'm just going from the psychological hold we seem to have on them in Europe

 

4 matches and they can't score - gotta be worth something, no?

[Swan Red]

John if as you suggested in the other thread that teams exist solely to win trophies why does it matter how they do it?

[John am Rhein]

John if as you suggested in the other thread that teams exist solely to win trophies why does it matter how they do it?

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It doesn't.

 

Unless they are Barcelona or Man United, of course

[Murphman]

i'm just going from the psychological hold we seem to have on them in Europe

 

4 matches and they can't score - gotta be worth something, no?

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Are you suggesting Mourinho is 'running scared'?

[Stevie H]

why so?

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1) barca's defence and goalkeeper are not a patch on chelsea's

 

2) rafa knows them well and knows how to play against them.

 

just a feeling that we'd stifle them and have the weapons to beat them over two legs. i don't think for a second that we'd beat chelsea more easily than we could overcome barca.

 

one game at a time accepted of course.

[John am Rhein]

bolllocks

 

I'm a much bigger Chelsea fan than him

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No way! Were you at Chesterfield in 1978?

 

I've got Kerry Dixon's thumbprint!

[Swan Red]

i'm just going from the psychological hold we seem to have on them in Europe

 

4 matches and they can't score - gotta be worth something, no?

 

I am concerned that that is being overplayed they were lucky to score the goals they did in the league last season and they beat us comfortably in the league this. They also beat us in the Carling final so I am not sure I see why playing them in Europe is that different. But for Gudjohnson missing that opportunity, which on another day he would have buried Istanbul would not have happened for us.

 

records also have a habit of being broken